To want someone to link to any evidence which says the Tories are planning to get rid of the NHS?

[bruffian]

As I haven't seen any, and yet if Facebook memes are to be believed they are going to get rid of it as soon as they get back into power? The only costings I can find seem to suggest they are planning to fund it about as much as labour is.

There's some evidence they want to sell off property belonging to the NHS, article here:
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/naylor-report-tory-nhs-privatisation-healthcare-flog-off-conservatives-theresa-may-election-2017-a7766326.html

I'll search for more specifically what you asked for.

Virgin

Some information about the outsourcing of services here which some might argue is a form of privatisation:

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/15/creeping-privatisation-nhs-official-data-owen-smith-outsourcing

I'm not suggesting you take this at face value but it should give you things to research.

Selling off unused property to help pay for NHS isn't getting rid of the NHS though? It seems quite sensible?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2016/nov/11/virgin-care-700m-contract-200-nhs-social-care-services-bath-somerset

There's some evidence that a lot of Tory MPs have links to/interests in private healthcare companies - strangely a lot of them voted through the Health and Social Care Act of 2012, pushed through by the Coalition.

The Act basically meant that clinical commissioning groups had to consider private providers when commissioning healthcare services. Hence what we're already seeing with private firms taking over large swathes of services that were previously run by the public sector. Note there aren't necessarily any guarantees that the services will be of the same quality.

NOBODY should be able to make money from these kind of services.

Any money 'made' should be pumped back in to the service, not lining the pockets of millionaire fat cats.

Same goes for probation. All been privatised under the watch of this govt and people are literally making money out of crime.

Sickening.

I guess it depends why it's unused. If it's a critical hospital that has been underfunded to the point where they've had to close which I've seen suggested is the case in some instances, then it would be a problem.

I would hope that's a one off (if that - I didn't check the accuracy of the story).

NOBODY should be able to make money from these kind of services.

Why not? If there's a private company who can provide the same services to the NHS for a better price than the NHS themselves, why shoukdn't that be an option?

AIBU to mention PFI - which under labour means payments for the new hospitals and schools private finance built will go on for years and years.
If an outside company can provide competatively some services for the NHS which would be more expensive in house I don't call that 'selling off' the NHS

So if it costs 100million per year for the NHS to provide service X but then a private company comes along and can provide the same service or better for 80million per year then why not?

Cross posted with lots of other people

Because not all NHS services can be profitable.

"The problem is that private companies cherry-pick what they want to do. They naturally do the easy stuff, leaving the NHS with the more complicated elements that are more expensive. That can cause real problems."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31435842 (bit old -2015)

This: www.theweek.co.uk/nhs/63360/pros-and-cons-of-privatising-the-nhs-could-it-ever-work
lays out arguments for and against.

Private companies can bail if they don't make the profit they were hoping for. See the circle fiasco:www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/09/hinchingbrooke-privatisation-nhs-hospital-private-contractor-circle

Google Jeremy hunt and his cousin Virginia bottomley and check out how many private healthcare firm boards they sit on. Google Jeremy hunt and kaiser permanente to see how his visits to the USA healthcare giant who have long been eyeing up our untapped goldmine are shaping up. Google Jeremy Hunt and his co-penned tract "direct democracy" for his opinion on private healthcare. google Andrew Lansley and his health and social care policy. I could go on but am bored now. There is evidence in every hospital in every county- go look

tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/01/scandal-as-nhs-plasma-supplies-sold-off-by-tories-for-230-million-sold-on-to-chinese-for-820-million/

Bain capital only paid £90m upfront
www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/25/uk-blood-plasma-company-sale-nhs-supplies

It's difficult to provide hard evidence because it's something that's currently unpopular so no one will stand up and say it. You have to look at the circumstantial evidence. NHS funding compared to GDP is significantly less than other developed nations. This means the NHS is running under stress. I believe this is a planned outcome because people will eventually get fed up with it not working properly and will demand something different. At that point the Tories can openly tout their plan to get rid of it.

It's a recognised tactic, to run a service down by underfunding it to the point that the public demand a change. Then you privatise it. In the Tories case, selling it to you mates who then give you seats on their company boards.

Go away and read the Naylor report.

All the evidence is in there.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-naylor-review-nhs-privatisation-sell-off-property-developers-a7766486.html%3Famp

What nocake said.

I would love to be wrong about this but I just don't trust the Tories. I don't think they care about any of us. I think they only care about the super rich. Sorry if that offends you but that's my opinion. Like I say, I'd love to be wrong about this.

I think it is the underhand nature of the sell off that most upsets me. They could explain that expectations far exceed budgets and therefore NHS no longer financially viable. They would have a point. But instead they are trying to blame us for the impending collapse- the narrative of failing hospitals, greedy staff, incompetence rather than years of underfunding the increasing demands.

What a patronising post- a quick google would've come up with the naylor report

Look how privatisation turned out for other services....

Got what you wanted bruffian?