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To not understand why we need so many new homes

265 replies

Pebbledash7 · 04/06/2017 20:52

Just as in the title really. I keep hearing about us building all these new houses but where are all the people currently living? There are tonnes of houses for sale in the property pages of our local paper.

I really dont understand why we can't make better use of what we have?

OP posts:
KC225 · 04/06/2017 23:20

My brother worked on a large block of luxury flats in London. Every single one of them was sold off plan to Chinese buyers. They were only marketed in China as investment properties.

Bitchywaitress · 04/06/2017 23:24

You may have your own home, but you clearly didn't get a basic education.

Here, have some '''', I'll send you a book on how to use them.

Kisses

user1471439240 · 04/06/2017 23:27

Housing benefit is the need we need so many homes, it is a direct subsidy to private landlords.
This directly ramps up rents and by effect house prices for those paying from earned income.

Bitchywaitress · 04/06/2017 23:28

You disgust me OP. Just read the whole thread.

mayoli · 04/06/2017 23:29

God you're stupid.

gamerchick · 04/06/2017 23:30

Here, have some '''', I'll send you a book on how to use them

Kisses

I swear I did a muttly laugh longer than I should have. Cheers man Grin

CrazySexyCool123 · 04/06/2017 23:36

But you didn't work hard enough. If you did you'd be able to buy the land around you to stop houses being built on it.

lostpigeon · 04/06/2017 23:43

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mygorgeousmilo · 04/06/2017 23:50

I was just about to reply to pebbledash on another thread, but thought better of it as I couldn't be arsed arguing. She doesn't "have time" for foodbank users - that type of talk. OP you seem to have a very narrow and one-sided understanding of other people and their lives.... you really ought to get out more and gain some experience outside of your own little bubble. Really, if you only know two people that don't own their own homes, then you either don't know many people, or only know people from a very specific section of society. Please make an attempt at broadening your mind BiscuitBiscuitBiscuit

LauderSyme · 04/06/2017 23:50

There's a huge amount of hidden homelessness OP, as others have pointed out. There is a constantly increasing number of households due to demographic changes. The homes that are being built are not being used to house people in need; a high percentage of new builds nationally are bought by foreign investors and kept empty.

Rather than asking why people have children they can't afford to house, you should be asking why is housing so unaffordable for families with children?

I could save to get on the housing ladder by going without. Problem is, myself and my son would have to go without shelter, warmth, food and clothing to save anything like the requisite amount.

There may well be a correlation between your hard work and your position of relative privilege. However, correlation does not imply causation. Once you start believing that it does, you become complacent and intolerant.

Others are pointing out that so-called affordable homes actually cost close to half a million quid. They think this is part of the problem, whereas you are probably delighted to hear it. What a relief that your nice neighbourhood won't be overrun and cheapened by undesirable poor people any time soon!

requestingsunshine · 04/06/2017 23:53

Just wow really.

Wow.

Shock
stella23 · 04/06/2017 23:55

I do think you should either have money to cover rent or own a house before starting a family and i do think you shouldnt have more children than you can afford to house
But rental prices aren't static, (another reason for rent capping) you really can't predict how much they will rise by. A house on the rental market has increase by £150 per month in six months, that over £1800.00 more per year to find. Wages haven't increased by that amount. People are being priced out of homes, downsizing, there will be nowhere left for them to go. Maybe a work house. It's about time people start building houses that are affordable for all, not just the few.

You say you worked hard for your money. Most people do. They just get paid different rates. The effort put in is the same.

btfly2 · 04/06/2017 23:55

Oh I see lostpigeon, does the village name includes an "m" by any chance? right in the middle?

OP who do you think you are? Geez!

roodienoodiefoodie · 04/06/2017 23:57

Pebbledash - but you are enjoying it. You've worked hard and got yourself a nice house. My issue is that you seem to think someone who hasn't had those opportunities and privileges (and their children who have no influence at all) should live in housing association battery farms. Somewhere grim. Some people will never be able to work or afford their own house but you think they have no right to decent housing or a garden.
And before you argue that you've made your own opportunities, whilst that's true to a certain extent you can't control external shitty circumstances. Would you be happy to accept your teeny tiny flat on number 56 housing association street if your husband left you and you could no longer work due to chronic ill health.
In fact I think your husband shacked up with someone from housing association land. She's enjoying your old house once she aired the smug smog away.

TypicallyEnglishMustard · 05/06/2017 00:02

thewireless.co.nz/articles/the-pencilsword-on-a-plate

You could probably do with reading that, OP.

PortiaCastis · 05/06/2017 00:09

Where do people live now
A good deal of them are homeless and if you don't know that you've got your head up your arse

Tonkatol · 05/06/2017 00:16

OP - I'm glad to see that when you retire, you don't intend moving to a flat but enjoy your property, grow veg etc. I only hope life doesn't get in the way of your plans.

My DH and I have a mortgage on our house, a 3 bed mid terrace property in Kent. We have four DC - one at uni, one working, one at college and the youngest about to start secondary school. Prices are so high here that we have extended our house to put in a 4th bedroom/family room. It is currently worth about £330K. Neither my husband or I are high earners, we only occasionally have a holiday (in this country). Things should be ok for us.

Unfortunately, life changed for us when I injured my back and neck. I had to reduce my hours at work, so our income went down. Our mortgage was with Northern Rock and so, once our fixed rate finished, we went onto a variable rate. However, our income now does not permit us to have the mortgage we had - it is interest only too and, due to the reduction in income, we have debts.

I am currently still working, but the idea of early retirement was recently suggested by my employer. Our house, without a drive, is up a steep flight of steps and there is no possibility or creating a path rather than the steps. Although we have a toilet downstairs, our bathroom is upstairs and there is no room to add a downstairs cloakroom.

We need to move; however, with four children living at home, we ideally need a four bedroom bungalow. We enquired into part ownership part rent and, due to my disability, we are eligible. However it would seem the only properties available in this scheme are either 1 and 2 bed flats or the same size starter homes. Bungalows in the area I live sell for upwards of £500,000, way out of our budget.

My point being is that I am not alone in this situation or many others like it, being a disabled family member, unplanned inability to work, or many other reasons. It isn't really appropriate for us to move out of the area as both my husband and son are working and two of my children are still in education locally. As many before me have said, there is no chance that my son will be able to move out anytime soon and, although I haven't yet seen any properties suitable to rent, the rental cost of a 3-bed house in this area is over £400 more than what we currently pay on our mortgage (it would be considerably cheaper for us to be in a repayment mortgage than to rent).

My brother lived in Herefordshire for about 11 years until 2015. Property prices there are extremely low compared to here - but jobs are far harder to come by.

OP what I'm saying is that you can plan your life as much as you like, but life has a habit of changing plans. As for your attitude about the school in your area going downhill if social housing is built nearby, it beggars belief - how do you know that any children you have/may have will be better for and in school than those from social housing. You really are either uneducated or ignorant.

emmyrose2000 · 05/06/2017 01:03

Pebbledash7 Sun 04-Jun-17 21:28:16
On another note - why dont we return to social housing being in flats. I mean this genuinely. It takes up less land and rent would be lower.

You're disgusting.

BTW, where I live, flat rents are almost the same as house rents, so your idiotic thought process is seriously flawed.

emmyrose2000 · 05/06/2017 01:26

Some people simply like the idea of a brand new house, possibly to their own specifications.

Shocking, I know.

Not everyone wants to live in a house that has otherwise been sitting around for decades or centuries. Some people like period/character/heritage/established houses and some don't. Isn't a wonderful that we all have a choice? Not to mention, all the jobs and economic benefits that are created with new builds.

OP, you really need to grow up.

Collienova · 05/06/2017 01:29

There may well be a correlation between your hard work and your position of relative privilege. However, correlation does not imply causation. Once you start believing that it does, you become complacent and intolerant.

^ this

Ilikecheeriosyum · 05/06/2017 07:09

You're assuming if everyone "just saves hard enougenough" they could buy a house!!!

My mother is in a minimum job, 5 days a week taking over time on the weekend when she can,
And she cannot afford to eat a hot meal everyday. Literally cannot do it. She has not been on holiday (in this country, never ever abroad) for 10 years and does not socialize or "waste money", her debts have been going up and up because minimum wage and a house to run leaves you with nothing. So what happens when something important breaks? Yes, she had gone without many times

And NO moving to a flat would not solve her problems as the rent on flats here are equal to the rent on her house! And moving to a flat would require the deposit and moving fees, because the local council waiting list (that she is on) is years long.

So what is she supposed to do? She isnt working hard enough because she works 11 hours a day instead of 16?

Should she stop paying her debts? Or maybe stop paying for her £5 a month phone credit? Stop putting pittance in the gas?

You are in a good place dont shit on people who are not and think that "you earnt it" and they didn't.

MaisyPops · 05/06/2017 07:19

Ilikecheeriosyum
You're talking to a brick wall probably. Sadly.
There's been a few threads on housed recently and there's a lot of people under the impression that if people just saved a bit more^ stopped spending their money/ worked a bit harder/ stopped being so picky about the house they'd want to buy / considered buying over an hourbaway from work etc then they'd be able to buy one.

KanielOutis · 05/06/2017 07:26

Where I live in the South East we need so many new homes because people can't afford to live in the centre of London, so they move to the outer zones. Prices rise so the people from the outer zones can't afford there so they move to the South East, and the problem continues. I own my home - it's a 2 bed flat for a family of 4. To own a whole house is unthinkable on my full time wages.

Hissy · 05/06/2017 07:39

pity the poor buggers who move into the naice village only to learn they're sharing it with a crashing snob.

MouseholeCat · 05/06/2017 07:44

I'm so glad I read this thread, now as a 20-something working 2 jobs in London and renting a tiny studio flat with my DH so that we can put away money, I've been enlightened to the fact I'm not working hard enough.

Thanks so much OP. I'll just change my ways and conjure up the £60k I need to buy a flat within commuting distance of my job. I sure hope those pesky housing prices stagnate in the years it'll take to raise that amount.

Maybe if I just stop buying so many avocados....