To have put in my (postal) vote today for the Tories?

[IonaNE]

I agree with their education policy (especially grammar schools) and a lot of their criminal and immigration policies. I have done the "isidewith" quiz (uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz) and I side 58% with Conservatives, 48% with Labour and 40%, 36% and 34% with UKIP, LibDem and the Green Party, respectively. But in general I have done it because it seems to me that the Conservatives are clever people (mostly Oxbridge educated), and you have to trust the leading of a country to clever people. (We all remember a certain Labour prime minister and his "bigoted woman" remark, when he thought his mic was off, don't we?) The Tories support working people, as opposed to second- and third-generation lifelong benefit claimers (large estates of high deprivation in my region) and they have already proved themselves by decreasing unemployment levels to those in the 70s, if I remember well (I wasn't in this country then, I'm an immigrant).

Disclaimer: I mostly use MN at the weekends, so I will come back and read replies today but I can't promise anything from Monday onwards...

Do you see the logical flaw in this, allegretto, or shall I point it out?
Point it out by all means, it doesn't correct the flaws in your arguments. And I am not peppering my responses with sarcastic comments, like you are.

After corbyns speech tonight nailing May to the wall?

Yeah, yabu

Hmm I wonder who can actually stop the spread of extremism, the guy acknowledging the part Saudi is playing or the woman who cuddles up to them and pretends everything is going to be ok?

Gordon Brown has a PhD from the University of Edinburgh.

I do agree that clever people should run the country. But not any clever person. David Cameron with his first in PPE was daft enough to hold the Brexit referendum.

If you think sticking people on a zero hour contract is a valid way of reducing unemployment then you're a wally.

Academic intelligence isn't the only kind of intelligence there is. It also depends on the uses to which intelligence is put. The Holocaust was designed intelligently - it was super efficient. It was also gut wrenchingly horrible.

And no, I am not likening the Tories to the Holocaust. Just saying - political smarts is not the same as basic decency

Post isn't collected on a Sunday
No, Crunchymum, but Post Offices are open on Sundays, and I went and handed it in. It will obviously only go tomorrow, but it is safely in. And, btw, why would I want to fish it out?

Have you all read this article

johnpilger.com/articles/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know

A big fat

The OP is stupid, slightly toady and very simplistic.

"Let all those cleverer peoples than what I is run the country".

"IANU am I."

Yes dearie you are if your reasoning is truly as simplistic as you have stated.

As a teacher what percentage of 3rd generation workless family members do you hope to see getting into Oxbridge under the new grammar system ?

YABU. The Tories have slashed and burned any kind of public spending and their policies directly disenfranchise the most vulnerable people in society.

As for clever, Oxbridge educated people, Jesus. Have a word with yourself.

Just got back in : get your facts right OP. Gove was indeed adopted but eh did not go to a grammar school. Some schools in Scotland have that title. He went to a state primary and then a fee paying secondary school. There were no grammar schools in Scotland in his day.

This is not to say he isn't clever. He is intellectually clever but unlikeable with no leadership qualities and no emotional intelligence at all. No amount of fine education buys you charisma and compassion.

Oh, and last time I checked your beloved Gove was opposed to Grammar schools. As is Birbalsingh and so too Sir Michael Wilshaw.

hmmm

and his parents vote Labour !

And I am sure you fully support the Pupil Premium for disadvantaged children such as CLAs

Oh wait :

'disadvantaged'

YANBU in that you consider them to be clever and think they should run the country because they're 'clever'. What a stupid reason to vote, it makes me cringe, if I were in charge people so stupid wouldn't be allowed the vote.

ps also, if you wish to show off with jargon, once adopted you are no longer a LAC.

Jolly good. Bloody well done, you fabulous person . Have an enormous fucking gold star. spot the sarcasm emoji much?

if I were in charge people so stupid wouldn't be allowed to vote

Well that's as stupid as the op really isn't it.

Academic idiots, ever heard the term OP.
perhaps apply it to the drooling Boris Johnson
Dear God.

YABU

YANBU for voting for the party that your views most align with.

However, lots of labour MPs are oxbridge too, it's just an MP thing. Actually the richest MP is labour!

However, lots of labour MPs are oxbridge too, it's just an MP thing.
It's not "just" an MP thing - it's a tangible sign of inequality at work in politics. (And yes, there are Labour MPs who went to Oxbridge but far fewer than Tories).

No, I'd be a benevolent dictator.

allegretto

For the 2015 election. 18% of labour candidates and 28% of Tory. It's less but it's not staggering. 41% of lib dem MPs went to oxbridge though (as of 2015 when there were more of them, not sure what it is now)