To think Teresa May has just won the election?

[desertmum]

Listening to TM outside Downing Street vs JC - I think she may have just won the election - saying what people wnat to hear and hopefully some of what she says needs to be done will be followed through with.

@crumpet Absolutely. And I think the disarray in the Labour party is going to get blamed for the disarray in parliament we are about to see.

Corbyn may have been liked with young voters but he is not well liked within his party - that's not going to change. Our local MP cannot stand him (which was actually one of the reasons I didn't vote for her) - he isnt going to be able to translate any of his manifesto into policies for young people with a hung parliament and that will lose him votes (aka the Clegg scenario).

Gosh the Tories still think they are strong and stable. They are still not listening to the electorate. A lot of those that voted brexit wanted a hard brexit. They won't go away quietly and I suppose nor will the remainders. But remember democracy speaks and the electorate if not listened to can make or break any politician. Brexit is surely the most toxic thing for any MP.

@Sostenueto Tories have the majority of the seats. So if you want to go on about how "weak" they are and what a good position Labour is in, perhaps remember that.

If the Tories were so weak, we'd have JC at PM this morning.

And anyone who tries to spin this as 'the Tories won' is talking utter bollocks. When TM called this election, it was predicted as a landslide with the Tories having a 20% lead over Labour and getting a majority of 100. They may have technically 'won' as in getting the most seats but they are now in the position of being a minority government.

"And anyone who tries to spin this as 'the Tories won' is talking utter bollocks."

"They may have technically 'won'"

Technically, not in fantasy la la la.

They may have more seats borrolove but they do not have a working majority. If they had they would not need the DUP. They will be voted down at every opportunity.

BorrowLove: "Tories have the majority of the seats."

Er, no, they don't. That is the whole point of this thread, all 36 pages of it. Perhaps go back and start at the beginning?

If the Tories were so weak, we'd have JC at PM this morning.

Instead we have? And for how long?

And
hahahahahaha

I'm saddened about the DUP. Welcome to the NI politics circus everyone. You thought the Tories were bad wait until you meet Arlene and co.

Both May and Corbyn need to resign this morning.

May should never have called the GE in the first place and presided over an awful campaign.

Corbyn has proved he'll never win a GE. Even with all his promises (bribes), he still couldn't get a majority - he'll never do better than he did yesterday, so Labour remains unelectable with him as leader.

What an utter shambles for both parties, and for the country. Just what we didn't need approaching Brexit!

Let's have new leaders and another GE in the Autumn to settle it and hopefully get some stability one way or another.

I notice that the Indie has had to recycle its 'Worst PM ever' headline from last year too.

@hackmum - yes they do - they have more seats than any other party. Go look at the numbers, they can't lead by majority for the government, but they have more seats than Labour (please remember by comment was pointing out Labour supporters hsould not be calling Conservatives weak given the number of seats they have).

Corbyn massively increased Labour's share of seats.

Why would he resign?

By bribing students with free tuition fees, sure. Wonder how they'll feel about it a few years after graduation when there's no jobs (other than driving trains for corbyn rail) and they are coughing up taxes for an ever increasing proliferation of useless degrees from second rate universities?!

Borrow having a majority means having more seats than all the other parties put together, not just having the highest number of seats. For the Tories to be defeated in a vote, it just needs all the other parties to vote against them.

Corbyn has always advocated no tuition fees, well before the election.

It's part of their fully costed manifesto.

"It's part of their fully costed manifesto."

The one that is not financially viable according to IFS?

Like the Brexit bill? Just a few million that he forgot there, oh, or is it billion?

Why would he resign?

If he can't win with all the promises he made, and against a goddamn awful campaign by the Tories, how on earth will he make the leap to get more seats than yesterday? It's mission impossible for him? How much more does he need to promise to get more votes (free meals for everyone, zero tax for everyone earning under £80k?). There's only so much bribery you can do to try to win votes.

Unfortunately I suspect a whole heap of students who didn't register in time would jump on the free fees band wagon... although with a more likeable and competent leader and a better campaign the Tories could do better too.

Fecked if I know who that leader would be!

Can't we have Obama?

Poor NI - likely more years of not having the same freedoms as other UK residents. No same sex marriage and still almost 50 years on from the rest of the UK no abortion. Money aplenty to prop up the DUP's gravy troughing land development schemes and the like. More of the divide along sectarian lines - so depressing

We're the fifth largest economy in the world, we can afford free education and Labour's manifesto was fully costed and viable.

Amazingly, the Tory manifesto wasn't costed.

JC 1 Maybe 0

Oh bloody well face it Tory voters you didn't get the win you wanted you won't face up to it and you still can't listen to the voters. NO ONE WON.

Pffffft!

I am getting a bit chessed off with some of the criticism of the youth vote

We have known for years that they tend to vote left

We have been nagging at them for years to vote

Brexit was a big issue for youth as they tended to want remain

So now they vote...after being nagged at for years

They vote left as we have know for years they tend to do

And now we are pissed off.