About people smoking in beer gardens?

[Shellym13]

I know I am being U but we just got back from a lovely weekend away. Weather was fantastic and we loved sitting outside to eat and chat in the sun.
I was so annoyed with the amount of smokers using the beer garden as a smokers den. All my family smokes but I am quite sensitive to the smell! I hate walking through the crowds gathered at the door but when you're trying to eat and everyone is smoking or rather lighting cigarettes and leaving them burning away in ashtrays, it was awful.
Is it just me or would separate outdoor areas be a good idea, the smell just makes me heave! Just because you are outside doesn't mean the smoke doesn't blow in your face. if a place e is serving food should it not be separated.
Apologies to smokers I know we all have to live together, I'm not really sure what the solution is.

there's a drive to ban smoking in all public places There is a drive to introduce all manner of illiberal things. Don't like something? Ban it!

You have to admit that most smokers throw their fag butts on the ground, thereby disregarding the environment around them, surely that's not a sweeping statement?
None of the smokers i wnt out with did that. Mind you, there were a lot of smoking bin things where i lived.

LittleBooInABox

In the summer they get the good weather and the garden, you get inside. Deal with it. You can't have it all.

Yet smokers did have it all, inside in the winter, outside in the summer.
Even in the winter they took over the outside areas with the heating lamps.

smokers attitudes and the attitude of the pubs that removed the separate areas have come back to bite them on the arse.

I'm not a smoker and others smoking doesn't really bother me (except mil who smokes outside and drags the smell into my house with her ) but yabu. Smoking was banned indoors (which I agree with), where the hell are they suppose to smoke? Just tell them they can't go to the pub altogether and jeopardise the pub trade even more!

www.who.int/campaigns/no-tobacco-day/2017/event/en/

Fittingly tomorrow is no tobacco day! (World health organisation )

Nowhere in my op did I say ban smokers, make them go inside or encourage kids into beer gardens? I said I didn't know what the answer was but separate areas would surely be a good idea. I don't have kids, I like a drink so pay my way at the pub and expect to enjoy all the facilities like anyone else

Op nope you were quite clear but bringing families into it or banning completely (which may well happen) will always be a bit of retort for smokers rights 😂 Maiden posted with a sensible reply !!

It's already been explained OP (maybe you missed it?) that seperate areas won't be cost effective for any venue. Smokers get a lot more use out of the outside areas year round, they're not not going to provide another one that'll be used for a few short weeks out of the year. Just go inside.

I don't know what the big deal is eating outside anyway. Beasties everywhere

I'm a smoker and would never smoke in a crowded beer garden or even street. It's disgusting and frankly fucking rude to do it around children and non smokers.

I totally agree Villoot. But some people, not just some smokers, seem to think that as long as something is not 'illegal' then consideration doesn't come into it. Then, as more regulations have to be put into place to deal with this attitude, they start moaning about the 'nanny state'.

The busiest pub on my little Main Street has a non-smoking beer garden.

It is bliss! We went in for lunch last week and ate in the beautiful garden without the horrid smell of smoke wafting our way.

I reviewed them for an online community thing - made a big deal out of it and now they're busier than ever and another pub is doing the same

Separate areas would be fairest

Given my last post on the subject I'd not thought to add more.

I'm a very considerate smoker as per my previous posts.

I had tonight, people sitting next to me being annoyed at my smoking. They arrived after me.

They were loud, swearing and playing music via their iPhone to dominate the whole beer garden - extended family about 10 people.

I moved away.

I was in one corner - well away from them.

Who was the most antisocial?

Darth , that's just bloody rude of them!

As a previous smoker I have to say, yes YABU.

Smokers frequent the 'Beer Garden' all year long. It's the smoking shelter and you're sitting outside on a nice day.

Smokers are paying customers too. Why are you any more entitled to sit and enjoy the Beer Garden than they are? If it bothers you, move away.

Where should they go? A tiny corner? Leave the premises?

As a previous smoker I have to say, yes YABU.

Smokers frequent the 'Beer Garden' all year long. It's the smoking shelter and you're sitting outside on a nice day.

Smokers are paying customers too. Why are you any more entitled to sit and enjoy the Beer Garden than they are? If it bothers you, move away.

Where should they go? A tiny corner? Leave the premises?

I think the thing that winds me up the most about the smoking/no smoking debate is that smokers and their cigarettes are considered a single entity.

Smokers are perfectly entitled to go anywhere smoking is not allowed - provided they don't smoke there. They only become 'a smoker' in the eyes of the law when they are actually in the process of smoking a cigarette. Every cigarette smoked is a choice, ergo if you're choosing to have a cigarette, you're choosing to restrict where you are able to sit. It's like peeing really - nobody is persecuting you for being someone who urinates, but if you have to do it, go and use the designated area.