How are you planning to vote if you earn over £80,000

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Just wondering the above really.
I can't stand the conservatives and always assumed I would vote Labour in this election, however with the tax increase over £80k I feel I'd be shooting myself in the foot a bit.
What do others think?

Also, it's really, REALLY not a myth that the tories started the rot in the NHS. Has everyone forgotten the 80s and 90s? Thatchers internal market? Hospital managers? The insane waiting times of the 90s? Labour may not have solved the problems but they were trying (unwisely in some instances) to patch up 18 years of damage.

And dont get me started on Andrew sodding Lansley and the havoc his reforms have reeked.

Tory or Lib Dem. Still not over the calamity of the last Labour government and JC and co are unbelievably even worse. There are Tories I loathe on an individual level so it wouldn't be an easy X to mark. But easier than the one that would take JC to number 10.

I gather that means testing winter fuel allowance will cost three times the savings,. Currently my DF and most of his peers donate theirs to the local Age Concern to help pensioners in real fuel poverty. This is a project many more wealthy pensioners subscribe to. Seems a more efficient way of alleviating poverty.

Yes people do work less to avoid higher tax. I don't see any point working 5 days a week to pay 61% tax on my 5th day and my partner keeps applying to go to 4 days a week too but his sexist company turn him down. He will try again next year.

Rhayader I know women who lost money by working during the childcare years - they saw it as an investment in their future careers. I think many people who are high earners are driven by success in their careers not just money.

Like I said before it's not about the money, it's the fact that I don't think the worst off in society will be better off as a result of this tax increase.

That's very noble but it's not what you said in your OP.

Your question is legitimate, but it came from a concern of 'shooting yourself in the foot' and paying more tax rather than a concern about the worst off not being better off.

I think it's not just about the income tax rate. It's the business taxes labour are planning that are the problem - the banks in London already have Brexit to contemplate and are being heavily marketed by EU capitals - thousands of bankers will go and are already going. They all earn over £80,000...... but won't pay this tax because they'll be gone. Where I live, they are already going.....

Add on the increase in corporation tax, Robin Hood tax, tax because you pay people a lot of money to some employees - it's not an attractive business environment especially when you're already wondering how business will be affected by the loss of passporting in the single market.

For businesses affected by the tax rises and min wage rises (small and medium size) the way to protect your profit margins is to put prices up (so we all pay - and inflation goes up so interest rates go up so mortgage costs rise). Or you make people redundant, reduce their hours. If profits fall pension returns fall as the dividends go to pension funds...... they are our pensions.

So when the IFS says labour has a hole in its plans of £10 bn in the short term we should all take note as this tax rise for £80,000 won't be enough and the only way to raise significant sums is to raise the basic rate of tax. The future will be more expensive for everyone one way or the other.

ProudConservative You have just proved my point about you. You are vile.

The tax rise will work short term, but then combined with the worsening corporate climate, because of Brexit and the corporate tax rises, will lead to falling revenues and a huge finance shortfall.

So we all be fucked long term, hight earner or low earner.

It'd a good question, not a stealth boast.

I earn nothing but my husband is a high earner and I'll be voting Labour. I figure that if we lose a bit of money for luxuries that's fine, it's the people on the breadline that can't carry the financial woes on their shoulders I worry about more. Food banks have risen exponentially during the last few years whilst a minority have prospered. That's not fair. I'd rather lose household income than see that trend continuing.

I would only vote for policies that I expect/trust to improve my family's prospects and outcomes, no matter what my position on the income scale.

Not sure why people who earn more are always expected (by some on the left) to operate differently to people who earn less/nothing in this regard.

You useless twat. Piss off and get an education.

Lulu's obviously hit a raw nerve 😂

Sheep That's true but most of the people i know who have had to give up work couldn't have chosen to work and pay for it because their partners to not earn enough. Not everyone is in such a good financial situation that they can be making less money than they pay to work for years and years.

LuluJakey1

And comparable to a Nazi, don't forget.

Have a little think about why arguing against someone's political ideas is acceptable but why telling someone that they'll be goose-stepping to vote could be offensive. I'll give you a clue. My mother was orphaned by people who actually goose stepped ...

We live in the London Botough of Richmond which was 75% Remain. The Conservatives are very visibly going door to door, marking off each house on their clipboards and fighting for every vote. Labour don't bother around here. I told the Conservative rep I would be voting Lib Dem as I cant get behind a party campaigning in the grounds of a "hard Brexit" that I didn't vote for. She said that was effectively a vote for Labour. Maybe it is, but still voted LD anyway. DH pays millions in tax every year. We have 4 DC in independent school so the tax on school fees will be like having a fifth school fee to pay. DH will no doubt get hit massively by corporation tax and god knows what will happen to stamp duty if we ever need to move house. Yet for the first time we're not voting Tory and know many people in a similar boat who feel the same.

Chloe84

Yes, she did. See my post above. Glad it amused you.

Why is it funny? I'm interested in your answer.

If business is hit with a double whammy of brexit and higher corp tax then corbyns plan of raisng millions this way is blown out of the water. As most of these businesses will leave the country, or start sacking people to ease financial burden. He will perhaps then have to start propagation of his magic money tree!

Funnily enough, I was peer-reviewing a paper yesterday on ubiquitous computing in medicine. I've no training beyond first aid but work in the technology side. It won't be long before things like that are done by computers which are much better at these kinds of things than humans. Ambient intelligence has revolutionised surgery and will take over many other forms of medicine in the future.

Oh, stop. So you think it would be better to replace humans with machines, this raising unemployment? This is unreal.

*Maybe he can change morphine syringe drivers by Skype?

Funnily enough, I was peer-reviewing a paper yesterday on ubiquitous computing in medicine. I've no training beyond first aid but work in the technology side. It won't be long before things like that are done by computers which are much better at these kinds of things than humans. Ambient intelligence has revolutionised surgery and will take over many other forms of medicine in the future.*

Fabulous, I'll pass that on. Will that be ok for the patients who will die in pain tomorrow?

*how do you suggest I work smarter

Do you have training? Of course you do. What does that training enable you to do? Work better, I assume. If not it's wasted. More training / qualifications usually means you're better at your job and this allows you to rise through your field and earn more money.*

I have a BSc and a was a qualified nurse but I can't do the job any longer for (non lifestyle-related) health reasons. I was a bloody good nurse. I live in smalltown Scotland, we don't have masses of companies crying out to pay £££s for my skills. I do what I can get. It's a very right-wing view isn't it? Blame people for their circumstances. I was the child of a divorced single mother in the 70s living in a high-rise council house. I improved my life and I want more for my own children but circumstances an responsibilities happen.

I firmly believe Labour have the welfare of the masses at their heart and the tories have the wealth of the few at theirs (if there is even a heart?).

Proud it was funny because you immediately jumped to pathetic ad homs to Lulu.

It completely discredits your argument (or more like shopping lists of cuts you like).

And then you've jumped on 'goose-stepping' as if Lulu was meant to know it had significance to you.

AmateurSwami

Often, yes. In medicine, I would rather a computer with a processor making decisions can be better than a human.

The computer I'm writing this on makes 4 thousand, million calculations per second per core. It has 8 cores. I would rather it be in charge of some things rather than a human.

That's before you come down to the accuracy of robotic cutting etc.

Are you actually advocating employment for employment's sake when a computer can do something better?

Two, that is probably the worst reason to vote Tory I have ever read/heard. Since a lot of the problems the economy has suffered recently are due to bankers... please leave.

I don't vote for what I think benefits me personally, I vote for what I think benefits society.
Income was way over £80k last year, I'm voting Labour.

Chloe

"Ad hom" refers to attacking a person's character as opposed to their arguement.

She didn't actually make any form of intelligent arguement. Not even a stupid arguement. In actual fact, it was her who resorted to arguementum ad hominem.

I'm not sure how pointing out her very nasty, ignorant and offensive post discredits mine. Please explain why.

The idea of being a reasonable person means you use your intelligence to avoid insult. Not only those whose relatives were killed by the Nazi's find comments like hers offensive.