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"After all that kissing arse at the Vatican, in Jerusalem and Saudi Arabia, I'm all touched out" says exhausted POTUS. Trump continued.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 24/05/2017 23:05

In haste, I will post the old thread shortly.

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cozietoesie · 26/05/2017 10:20

That Yates speech was quite something.

lionheart · 26/05/2017 11:39

I am smitten. Smile Glad it wasn't just me!

TheClaws · 26/05/2017 11:55

DT tweets

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 40m40 minutes ago
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Getting ready to engage G7 leaders on many issues including economic growth, terrorism, and security.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 40m40 minutes ago
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Just arrived in Italy for the G7. Trip has been very successful. We made and saved the USA many billions of dollars and millions of jobs.

lionheart · 26/05/2017 11:57

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/26/us-immigration-crime-database-victim-data-exposed

Again, that problem with confidentiality.

TheClaws · 26/05/2017 11:59

Curious about the "very successful" part, and I don't know how he could have both made and saved "billions of dollars and millions of jobs". Are details not his strong point? Grin

Orlantina · 26/05/2017 12:04

In unrelated UK news, Katie Hopkins has been sacked by LBC

cozietoesie · 26/05/2017 12:11

Just musing here. I wonder whether Sally Yates is barred, by virtue of her previous job, from running for political office?

(I do appreciate, though, that her recent experiences may have soured her with regard to that possible path. )

cozietoesie · 26/05/2017 12:14

Claws

I'm wondering what are his strong points?

I'll have to get back to you on that one.

At some time.

TheClaws · 26/05/2017 12:51

Cozie Pushing! And bluffing. And ... that's it.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/05/2017 13:08

Retrieving items that have fallen under seats of cars with his tiny tiny hands?

Lweji · 26/05/2017 13:18

Finally managed to listed to Yate's speech earlier and it is awesome. Not many claps at times, though. I wonder how many Republicans were in the audience.

cozietoesie · 26/05/2017 13:20

She's fine, isn't she? Smile

Lweji · 26/05/2017 13:21

Curious about the "very successful" part, and I don't know how he could have both made and saved "billions of dollars and millions of jobs". Are details not his strong point?

I bet he double counted them too. Wink

Lweji · 26/05/2017 13:22

Just musing here. I wonder whether Sally Yates is barred, by virtue of her previous job, from running for political office?

I don't think so.

Indeed, I was thinking while listening to her speech: "Yates for President"

cozietoesie · 26/05/2017 13:22

It was Harvard, Lweji. I doubt they'd be much given to applause. Wink

Perihelion · 26/05/2017 13:29

Also unrelated, but rather nice to see Obama enjoying a round of golf in St Andrews before a speech in Edinburgh tonight Grin

Lweji · 26/05/2017 13:34

This is a funny article

It's Macron's fault that Trump had a (well in advance prepared) speech highlighting divisions within NATO.

Also watch the second handshake. Macron pulls back as Trump tries the grab and pull trick.

And finally, Trump gets hold of Melania's hand in Sicily. He probably told her to do it for the cameras.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/26/g7-summit-eu-eye-rolling-trump-tantrums-must-stop-unites-us/

AcrossthePond55 · 26/05/2017 13:37

No, Ms Yates isn't barred from running for office. But it seems that so many former civil servants, who've seen 'how it is', would rather chew glass than become a part of that machine.

It's sad really. Running for office used to be something to aspire to in order to serve your country and help your fellow citizens. Now it's something to do in order to see what you can get out of it and fleece your fellow citizens. I know it's not all of them, there are some 'good'uns' out there, they're just hard to find.

cozietoesie · 26/05/2017 13:39

Interesting to note. Thanks, Across.

(Oh - and I hope you're taking your own words to heart? Wink)

Lweji · 26/05/2017 13:41

Can you imagine Yates running for office in 2020? Particularly if a certain DT was still in office?

cozietoesie · 26/05/2017 13:44

I can, actually. (Although 2028 would arguably be better. She's only young after all.)

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 26/05/2017 13:50

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The only thing I'd debate in Gerson's damning assessment of the state of conservatism is that it started with Trump.

The conservative mind has become diseased
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-conservative-mind-has-become-diseased/2017/05/25/523f0964-4159-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.607a6a1e270e

Here's Gerson's blistering bottom line:
The conservative mind, in some very visible cases, has become diseased. The movement has been seized by a kind of discrediting madness, in which conspiracy delusions figure prominently. Institutions and individuals that once served an important ideological role, providing a balance to media bias, are discrediting themselves in crucial ways. With the blessings of a president, they have abandoned the normal constraints of reason and compassion. They have allowed political polarization to reach their hearts, and harden them. They have allowed polarization to dominate their minds, and empty them.

Gerson describes a conspiratorial bent that sounds a lot like the Bill Clinton era, when conservatives called the then president a murderer.
A conspiratorial approach to politics is fully consistent with other forms of dehumanization — of migrants, refugees and “the other” more generally. Men and women are reduced to types and presented as threats. They also become props in an ideological drama. They are presented as representatives of a plot involving invasion and infiltration, rather than being viewed as individuals seeking opportunity or fleeing oppression and violence. This also involves callousness, cruelty and conspiracy thinking.

At that time, Donald Trump was actually friendly with the Clintons and defending them (though he had other problems, ie women and race).

But the "paranoid style" on the right - accelerated by the shock of losing the White House to Clinton, predates him too.

You can go back to accusations that the civil rights movement was a communist plot, the McCarthy era and the red scare of 1919.

Before that, conservative conspiracists accused FDR of fomenting socialism and communism via the New Deal and Social Security.

There are conspiracy theorists on the left too, of course, but the paranoid style has found a much broader political audience on the right.

And there's a simple reason: it's conservatives (whether post-slavery Democrats or civil rights & busing era Republicans) who resist change.

And at the most basic political level the easiest way to turn discomfort with change into votes is to whip it up into paranoia and fear.

Conservatism has been divided between intellectual arguments against societal change and gutteral, showbiz arguments for decades.

Is it really surprising that the paranoid, talk radio style of arguing against change has a bigger market than the National Review version?

They're certainly saying the same things: William F. Buckley Jr was as opposed to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as George Wallace was.

But Wallace was more entertaining. Donald Trump is just giving you George Wallace instead of Buckley. But on policy Trump = Paul Ryan.

He didn't invent the paranoid style-he just capitalized on it because at heart he is a needy showman who loves the attention his act brings.

Trump didn't even invent birtherism. He just took the "World Nut Daily" craziness and married it to The Apprentice on a national stage.

For the right, Trump isn't some interloper. He just figured out how to take your existing product and get it on the Walmart shelf.

The fact that he's vulgar and undisciplined and embarrassing may bother you, but you must admit it doesn't bother YOUR Republican base.

Neither does Sheriff Clarke's violent craziness. Nor does Greg Gianforte's violent behavior. Or Steve Scalise's white power visit...

Conservatism hasn't been hijacked, people. Trump has a base, and GOP friends, that base is yours.

One last thing: before Trump took raw conservative paranoia federal, Roger Ailes and Rush Limbaugh (who Hannity is chasing) metastasized it.

They used the old Father Coughlin method to turn white American discomfort with change into huge, paranoia-fueled profits.

Bottom line: if conservative intellectuals want to do soul searching on how they wound up with Trump they need to go way back before 2016.

Meant *after, not before, but you know... no-edits Twitter! :-)

One last thing: you might ask, if fear works, why didn't the dire warnings about Trump, especially re Russia, work last year?

I would argue a few reasons: A) Trump was already a celebrity, so people didn't fear him, or really believe the crazier things he said...

B) many younger voters - stoked by the Russian disinfo campaign aimed at them, loathed Clinton more than they feared Trump or had apathy...

C) convert D to R voters feared the ongoing change Clinton represented not Trump-who they believed would restore a past they find comforting

... and D) warnings about Trump did work but with people who are already high propensity voters or voter suppression targets.

That said, to reiterate, while there is liberal paranoia, it isn't nearly as systematized and media organized or weaponized as on the right.

In large part because the base of the liberal party and those who ideologically lean left, don't fear the social changes taking place.

But you know what people who aren't in the conservative base do fear? The destabilizing influence of Donald Trump.

Rant /off

zeezeek · 26/05/2017 13:56

I normally just lurk on these threads, but just want to break cover to say that Pope Francis, Angela Merkel and Sally Yates are my new heroes!

AcrossthePond55 · 26/05/2017 14:07

I agree, Pain. It certainly didn't start with Trump. But his loud mouthed blustering and 'proclaiming' has made it acceptable. Before, conservatives tried to couch their conservatism in 'good motives' for lack of a better phrase. They were 'upholding values', they were 'for raising people up by getting cutting them off assistance'. Now it seems it's acceptable to call those people leeches and 'other' them. To tout one's conservatism as justification for selfishness and greed.

A former friend (DH sees his shit via mutual FB friends) has always been conservative (and ignorant) but he couched it in 'Christian Values' and 'preserving our democracy'. You'd read his posts and shake your head and think 'What a wanker'. Now he just spews hatred, racism, and misogyny. I just thank God he's never had children!

Lweji · 26/05/2017 14:09

Cozie

Sally is not that young. She mentioned her son in law in her speech (I was Shock) and she is 56. Just 14 years younger than Trump (so unfit to marry him). Obama is 55 now.

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