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lionheart · 19/05/2017 17:33

Watch and listen.

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cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 15:31

Of course. NK are still beavering away.

AcrossthePond55 · 22/05/2017 15:32

cozie I take the 5th on whether or not I've already cracked the Gin this morning. Wink

Taking the 5th is done to avoid making statements that 'may' incriminate yourself. It pretty much says 'yeah, I did something illegal but I'm not going to tell you about it'. It doesn't just mean that you've done what they're asking about, it could mean that you've done something else illegal that answering the question could lead to, i.e. 'I'm not going to answer your question about XX breaking into the jewelry store because it may lead to the fact that I received the stolen goods'.

Here's what they generally say: “On the advice of counsel I invoke my Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination, and respectfully decline to answer your question.”. To each and every question, separately.

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 15:34

And what do 'people' tend to think when they hear that response? Wink

AcrossthePond55 · 22/05/2017 15:41

Weeelllll, if you're talking about me and Gin you can 'presume' the worst Grin . As most people do when someone takes the 5th on anything. AFAI am concerned, it's an admission of guilt of some wrong-doing, you just don't know exactly what.

TBH, if it will help tumble the Trump regime into oblivion, I vote to give Flynn total immunity and a free trip to Disney World!!!

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 15:43

I've always felt that he should get immunity. Like taking the 5th, I can't see that it helps him do more than avoid jail. Wink

AcrossthePond55 · 22/05/2017 16:03

I agree. I just hope he has valuable enough info to seriously implicate Trump et al and not just taking the 5th because he did something illegal on his ownthat would implicate only himself, iyswim.

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 16:07

I do - but who can tell? In fact, there's even an argument that taking the 5th to some (suitable) questions might be more effective in the court of public opinion.

2018, remember.

GingerIvy · 22/05/2017 16:24

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Wow. Trump just told the press "I never mentioned the word 'Israel' during that meeting [with the Russians]. Everyone said I did."

Roussette · 22/05/2017 16:35

Good grief, just seen the vid of DT and Melania arriving in Israel. Bibi and wife are walking up red carpet hand in hand, abreast of DT and Melania. DT blatantly catches sight of Bibi holding wife's hand and makes an attempt to hold Melania's. She swats him away. She's probably thinking you've left me walking behind you one too many times, sod off, I'm not holding your hand because your 'friend' is doing that...

www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/05/22/melania_appears_to_slap_donald_trump_s_hand_away_video.html

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 16:43

He should just keep his mouth closed, all of the time.

originalbiglymavis · 22/05/2017 16:43

I think she knows all his dirty little secrets.

That's the only reason he doesn't have a massive toddler tantrum in front of the world's cameras - because he really doesn't care what anyone thinks (as long as they love him) and denies anything happens that he doesn't like.

I'd love a peek at her dear diary.

lionheart · 22/05/2017 16:45

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BREAKING: Trump tells Netanyahu he never mentioned the word Israel in his meeting with the Russian Foreign minister

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SanFranBear · 22/05/2017 16:59

That piece that you posted, Lion about the opioid disaster that is gripping America is very sad. I watched a video on the BBC a couple of weeks ago about the city with the highest number of overdoses in the country and it was focused on a supermarket where people just kept OD'ing in the toilets Sad. The firefighters interviewed said they attended more OD's than fires (about a third of their callouts iirc) which is utterly tragic.

This is what Scrotus should be tackling - no idea how given the issue is escalating but things like Sessions regressive policy stances on the War on Drugs will only serve to make this worse.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/05/2017 17:01

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1
Kushner is keeping ~90% of his real estate holdings—despite pledging divide btwn private interests, public duties.

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/kushner-keeps-most-of-his-real-estate-but-offers-few-clues-about-potential-white-house-conflicts/2017/05/21/35d7ceb4-3993-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html

TheNorthWestPawsage · 22/05/2017 17:03

Completely unverified but it would explain A LOT!

Claude Taylor @TrueFactsStated

I was just told by MSM member that Donald and Melania's divorce papers were signed prior to election and settlement agreed to. Then he won.
twitter.com/truefactsstated/status/866484486921482241

TheNorthWestPawsage · 22/05/2017 17:06

Divorce papers signed but not filed apparently...

AcrossthePond55 · 22/05/2017 17:07

So if he says he didn't mention Israel, then ipso facto willy nilly jiggery pokery hey presto wango tango , it means that he definitely did.

The video of D and M? To paraphrase; 'One video is worth a 1000 words'. All I can figure is that he gets iron-clad prenups (and tbh I don't really blame anyone who has a lot to lose for wanting one) AND that he has some type of 'non-disclosure' clause in his divorces that are tied to the ex losing a great deal of money. Neither of his exes have said one single thing (good or bad) about him throughout this whole debacle.

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 17:09

San

Jared is responsible for bringing opioid problems under control - along with a few other minor details like the Middle East.

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 17:12

I'm not sure that anyone has said that he did mention Israel, Across.

lionheart · 22/05/2017 17:31

Yes, San, it is beyond grim.

Trump scores three out of three here:

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Dan Eggen Retweeted Barak Ravid

  1. denies something no one reported 2) confirms what everyone DID report 3) and confirms info was from Israel
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Roussette · 22/05/2017 17:32

Hmmm... it would make perfect sense if divorce papers were signed because the body language between the two of them is absolutely appalling.

Ivana did allege DT attacked her, she left a statement, but then withdrew it...

"I didn't mention Israel" is honestly like a child isn't it... "Mum Mum I didn't break the toy I really didn't" when you didn't know the toy was broken in the first place...

lionheart · 22/05/2017 17:34

newrepublic.com/article/142794/democrats-proudly-call-trumps-impeachment

Feisty.

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GingerIvy · 22/05/2017 17:46

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Trump just leaked classified intel again. He just publicly denied having mentioned "Israel" to the Russians. Thus confirming it was Israel.

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 17:48

As I said once. 'Opening his mouth (in order) to change feet'.

lionheart · 22/05/2017 18:55

Just saw this and it is a more positive piece on the opioid issue:

www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/interview-francis-collins-director-nih-opioids

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