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Match your outfit with the drapes and no-one will see you are here.

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lionheart · 19/05/2017 17:33

Watch and listen.

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cozietoesie · 21/05/2017 23:19

And here's a version of the original Leonard Cohen song.

GingerIvy · 21/05/2017 23:42

Excellent picture. Grin

shauna‏Verified account @goldengateblond 8h8 hours ago
My husband @CelticWombat is running the @Baytobreakers race today dressed as Kellyanne Conway and I've never loved him more. pic.twitter.com/V9v2bZ1kN6

cozietoesie · 21/05/2017 23:45

Well done him. Smile

lionheart · 22/05/2017 00:08

I do love Mr Cohen. Smile

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PerkingFaintly · 22/05/2017 00:12

twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/866041487473213440

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@JoyAnnReid
Important fundamentals here. The Justice Dept. does NOT initiate impeachment. The House Judiciary Committee does after reviewing evidence.

Joy Reid‏Verified account @JoyAnnReid May 20
In Trump's case, we're not even *close to that point yet. The special counsel, Bob Meuller, hasn't even taken office yet.

Mueller is about to *start his investigation. The Justice Department is nowhere near doing anything at this point, esp under Mr. Rosenstein.

It's fine that we're all speculating about the probability/possibility or appropriateness of impeachment -- we did it today on #AMJoy

But anyone who tells you that articles of impeachment have already been filed against Trump are way, way off, and very premature.

Moreover, the Supreme Court has no role in impeachment. The constitution conspicuously excludes the courts and leaves it to congress.

The Bill Clinton legal team tested that question in 1998, and it was affirmed: the SCOTUS has no impeachment role:
Courts not likely to become involved in impeachment Supreme Court has ruled Congress is responsible for deciding the matter
articles.baltimoresun.com/1998-12-22/news/1998356104_1_impeachment-process-supreme-court-senate-rules

All the SCOTUS could do is rule via a specific case that the president has violated the "take care" clause, making impeachment likely.

... as this unfortunately-titled post pointed out in 2006:
The Supreme Court And Presidential Impeachment
www.huffingtonpost.com/elizabeth-holtzman/the-supreme-court-and-pre_b_10595736.html

At issue at the time was GOP-led states challenges to DACA, claiming it=the president failing to "take care to faithfully execute the laws":

So in short, with no case ruled on by the SCOTUS that even brings up the "take care" clause, the court somehow initiating impeachment is a NO.

Also, the House Judiciary Committee is run by Republicans. Here's their chairman: Bob Goodlatte:
Meet the Virginia congressman who tried to gut the House ethics office
www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/meet-the-virginia-congressman-who-tried-to-gut-the-house-ethics-office/2017/01/04/ac848ea8-d205-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.695e2acfea14

And here he is saying there's no need to get all fussy about Russiagate:
Republicans vote down attempt to advance debate on Trump-Russia allegations
www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/28/republicans-vote-down-attempt-to-force-debate-on-trump-russia-allegations/?utm_term=.6568a9264ab6

So in short: no, articles of impeachment have not been advanced against Trump. Republicans are highly unlikely to ever do so, either...

... barring some unforeseen circumstance that literally forces them to separate from Trump.

Even Democrats are like "cool your jets" on impeachment.
Pelosi says she won’t stop impeachment talk
www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/19/nancy-pelosi-says-she-wont-stop-impeachment-talk/

That's not to say a Trump impeachment can't happen -- and personally I'd never bet against Auntie Maxine...
Rep. Maxine Waters takes impeachment campaign to the Washington suburbs
www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/rep-maxine-waters-takes-impeachment-campaign-to-the-washington-suburbs/2017/05/19/3994c83e-3cb0-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?utm_term=.d4bbfba86d77

And of course there's always the possibility that a certain somebody is plotting "another way" into the Oval...
Replace Trump with Pence under the 25th Amendment? Don’t hold your breath.
www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/may/18/replace-trump-with-pence-under-the-25th-amendment-/

...or that Trump could get so tired of having an actual job he goes back to playing golf and watching Fox all day. Wait, he does that now...

...or, that Trump finally does something so outrageous, even our unstatesmanlike friends in the GOP finally say "enough."

But if you are one who believes Trump has earned impeachment there IS a way to ensure accountability: change who's running the House.

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 00:27

Yes. 2018.

lionheart · 22/05/2017 00:28

Brilliant, Perking.

Here is the Independents view of that speech:
www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-saudi-arabia-trip-sunni-shia-sectarian-war-iran-a7748386.html

'Saudi leaders will be pleased by Mr Trump’s condemnation of Iran as the fountainhead of terrorism. This was the most substantive part of speech and is the one most likely to increase conflict.'

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cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 00:30

When does he head to Israel?

BerylStreep · 22/05/2017 00:48

I would imagine the Israeli reception would be fairly cool, given that Trump has just burned one of their informants?

Loved the big hands little hands picture earlier. They really are very tiny, aren't they?

So as a complete novice to American politics, what's the deal with 2018? Do people vote for the Senate & Congress members again, but not POTUS?

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 00:54

I 'think' they'll vote again for all of the House and - if I recall - 37 of the Senate. The POTUS slot faces the vote again in 2020.

lionheart · 22/05/2017 00:55

You could say that, Beryl:

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/21/angry-netanyahu-orders-ministers-attend-trump-israeli-arrival

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cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 01:12

Wasn't 45's father buddies with Netanyahu backaways?

TheClaws · 22/05/2017 01:38

Scott Dworkin @funder
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Russian Foreign Ministry said it was in contact w/Trump campaign during the election—& said they know most of Trump's entourage. #trumpleaks

TheClaws · 22/05/2017 01:41

Cozie, isn't it Kushner's father (the one is jail) that is besties with Netanyahu - and that Netanyahu even stayed at their house when in the US? Gosh, when you write it all down, the more incestuous it seems.

TheClaws · 22/05/2017 01:48

That speech was nothing but words, and the Saudis know it. They can read between the lines. They know he didn't write the speech and it doesn't reflect him anyway. Given he just signed a massive arms deal, all this talk on "bringing peace" means absolutely nothing. He (or should I say, the Admistration) is only arming warlords and encouraging further division and isolation. Idiot.

cozietoesie · 22/05/2017 01:54

I'll defer to your knowledge on that one, Claws. I just thought the friendship was even more direct.

TheClaws · 22/05/2017 01:59

It could be Cozie. Maybe someone else knows more?

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 22/05/2017 06:23

Wake up everyone! I've been awake since stupid o'clock and this thread - with US and antipodean contingents - can usually be relied on for 24hr coverage. It's almost like you're on a break whilst POTUS is out of the country. You're not actually the Rogue POTUS/WH tweeters, are you? If so, crack on with polishing those CVs and writing job applications and don't mind me. Grin

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/05/2017 06:43

Scott Dworkin @funder
#TRUMPLEAKS DOCUMENT LEAK:

419 docs—Trump lawsuits-contracts-leases-settlements—all legally obtained.

Link to docs: t.co/TihS11gMF0?amp=1

[it's a google drive link]

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/05/2017 07:00

Concerns that administration are de-emphasising human rights when pursuing foreign policy

Tillerson calls for balancing US security interests, values
www.apnews.com/7afff2131d7b4b10b2c84b89c721b6c9?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Politics

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 22/05/2017 07:01

Thanks for getting the week off to a cracking start, Pain Grin

Roussette · 22/05/2017 07:04

His Saudi visit is all about money nothing else (my opinion). Biggest arms deal in history engineered by his son in law, and $100M gift to Ivanka's as yet not founded Foundation. And there was Trump berating HRC for accepting a fraction of that and here is what he said in only October last year on the live debate...

""Saudi Arabia giving $25 million, Qatar, all of these countries. You talk about women and women's rights? So these are people that push gays off business - off buildings. These are people that kill women and treat women horribly. And yet you take their money."

Roussette · 22/05/2017 07:11

This will be a disaster for race relations if this appointment goes ahead..

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/19/sheriff-david-clarke-dangerous-bigot-resisted

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/05/2017 07:16

This week's "last week tonight" with john Oliver. And what a week it's been!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=WbgYXXq5Huo

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 22/05/2017 07:17

Haha my pleasure illegitimate!