Labours Increase in personal tax over £80k

[OliviaPopeRules]

So Labour have finally announced their 'moderate' tax increase for people over £80k.
These changes mean that if you have a household where one person earns £150k you will pay tax of £58k approx. but if you have a household of 2 people earning £75k you will pay total tax of approx. £37k.

I appreciate a lot of people will think tough shit, you earns lot so screw you but can someone really explain to me how this is not just a tax to punish.

And yes I understand people on lower incomes and disability support and other benefits need to more support and I personally have no problem paying extra tax but this makes the tax system so unequal for couples/ families with only 1 person working.

Fuck me - you have NO value as a SAHP! You literally contribute nothing outside your own family. You don't pay tax or nursery wages - in Scandinavian countries women are expected to go back to work just like men. The taxes they pay support long full pay maternity leave for women AND men and excellent quality, heavily subsidised childcare. It's a lifestyle choice you have to decide if you can afford - don't expect a fan fare for doing what you want to do. Those that both have a lower income and one of them HAVE to work will have very little sympathy for your pinchy diamond shoes .

Rant over bye bye till 5 years time with no NHS inflation at 20% and no more state pensions. Live long and prosperous

Absolute scare mongering crap.
If that is the car why have pensions I carried every year for the pay 7 years. Why has NHS spending increased year on year.

you have NO value as a SAHP!

Nice

The point sinoella is that unless the well off are made to contribute by a higher tax rate they wouldn't bother to help the poor. Admittedly there are those that do but I'm afraid not near enough. If they did the results could be fantastic, but there again some poor people are also proud people and taking charity can stick in their throats, so better to give them a decent wage and services than charity.

Oh and just another thought, if you had to pay 35 thousand in tax that amount would take my daughter on minimum wage 4 years to earn. Puts things in a little bit of perspective doesn't it?

Thats the same arguements as well there are people in some countries that work for pennies so it puts minimum wage into persepective doesn't it.

Right. But the well off already DO contribute by paying a higher tax rate!!

What you mean is, you feel they still don't pay enough.

no value as a SAHP, women are expected to go back to work just like men

Well aren't you a delight, what a lovely sexist mysoginist post.
I'm not a SAHP as it happens and I am a woman that works not that it should matter. Lots of SAHP have worked for years and contributed financially, seeing as you only seem to value financial contribution.

let's try and keep it nice - SAHP do have plenty of value, all caring is valuable.

NHS spending has increased but so has the age we live to. In relative terms therefore there has been no significant increase and more and more services are already privatised and there will be more. No scaremongering at all but the truth which is more than May will ever give you.

We are in GB Piggie not in other countries and I am only talking about THIS country which is my main concern.

what about the truth that labour won't give you? That due to the ageing population providing current levels of pensions and NHS spending is going to be impossible to maintain without much higher taxes?

It's not just the tories not having an honest debate here:

www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9219

No scaremongering at all but the truth which is more than May will ever give you.

No one is giving the truth when it comes to NHS including Corbyn.

I thought jellymuffin was saying that SAHP do a value, but it just isn't recognised here? Did I misunderstand the post?!

Yep, I think I did. In which case, urgh. Of course SAHPs do a fucking important job. And often a thankless one.

I'm not suggesting they don't do an important job - but the previous poster said that the tax devalues being a stay at home parent. The government make nothing from SAHP which is why they don't get taken into account. Purely mercenary on their part.

Thankyou simonella. That was exactly what I meant.

the sad thing is that plenty of SAHP read things like that and feel terrible - my DM has looked after 4 DC, 4 elderly parents, done a LOT of free childcare for her GC (not mine I should add, she's too poorly now) and has never felt valued by society. Now she does have diamante on some of her shoes :) I digress...

jelly I'm relieved you've clarified that, I read it a few times and thought it was an insult. There should be better tax breaks for people being at home at least with the under 3 year olds.

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The point sinoella is that unless the well off are made to contribute by a higher tax rate they wouldn't bother to help the poor.

I think you misunderstood who these well of people are. Yes there are people out there like David Cameron, wealthy two parents family, public school connection married into upper class etc etc. But more are people who worked their way up and not necessarily from a privileged background. They got there through hard work, taking risk, and possibily making difficult choices in private life to achieve better financial outcome. Like the accountants who do full days then study for the qualifications after work, the doctors who moved around the country to climb the consultant ladder, the business owner who risk their own money and sacrifice their time with their children to build up their business. I don't believe people object to helping others in need, but I they object to being targeted. No, taking computers and books to local estate would be patronising and pointless, but investing in early education and training opportunities for people like your daughter would be.

Thanks jelly, I thought that Must be what you meant and then I reread and wasn't sure!

That's what I did, abit. I worked every holiday and weekend from being 14. I worked during my degree. I worked full time and did a masters. I worked insanely long hours; still do.

unless the well off are made to contribute by a higher tax rate they wouldn't bother to help the poor. Admittedly there are those that do but I'm afraid not near enough

Really? But then perhaps you have the advantage of knowing all of these people and what they do or don't do towards helping others ... ?

Tax is a red herring
How much money is pissed up a wall on management consultants with no results in the NHS?
What about the 20 layers of management in the civil service?
Make the run more efficiently and you don't need to privatise things.
I don't mind paying more tax on schools or the NHS if it is used properly. I don't want to pay more tax for ambulance chasing lawyers to screw the army/NHS for dubious claims
Create a good system and no one will complain about paying for it

I apologise it wasn't clear. I'm feeling a bit riled at the moment at value as perceived by the government in other areas too. May have gone a bit OTT and spoiled my point.

My daughter has a degree but also had a child and she does a job which was convenient to school hours instead of having childcare as I was working at the time. She is a single parent and a community carer, zero contract, no sick pay and minimum holiday pay if she can get her work covered. She loves her job and the people she cares for. Her choices I know oh and 15 years after she left uni she still owes 30 grand and because of that has a low credit rating. Lots of people work hard all their lives they are called the working class. Lots of people manage to climb but more cannot. 95% of people in thus country earn less than 80 grand. At the e d of the day I understand that no one wants to pay more tax but with a tory government they will make sure all will pay more viable stealth taxes etc. But the top 5% will be able to afford it and 95% will not.

Sorry Jelly I also misunderstood, apologies.