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to cut ties with this woman

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bungle99 · 15/05/2017 09:53

In one of my group of friends, there's one woman called C. I used to be friends with her but she became judgmental, overly critical and can be quite controlling so i backed off. She's one of those people who think anyone who does things differently to her is wrong.
I have another friend called A in the same group. She's a really good friend. She also backed away from C due to her being critical but is now friends with her again. This is fine.
We all go out for drinks plus a few others. If C is in a good mood I have a nice evening.
She usually gets in one sarcastic comment e.g. i didn't have the right change for the whip so telling me i've only just arrived and i'm already being annoying and then laughing at me. I do get annoyed, and try to avoid her if she starts like this.
Her DH and my DH have also become friends over last few years but they go out separately. They met through us.
A while ago, we were out. As soon as she came in she was being sarcastic towards me. I have child who's been in and out of hospital, having invasive tests, and has been diagnosed with ulcers in gastro tract. She also has child with allergies but is diet controlled and never had tests. I brought up the subject and she rolled her eyes about and said sarcastically and loudly "oh right! we're going to start talking about THAT again!" I was pretty taken aback and hurt. Yes i do talk about it a lot but it's such a huge thing in my life that it's all i think about and was just looking for some support.

Later on i (stupidly) mentioned that DC was now on gluten free diet and she condescendingly said "i bet you wished you 'd put him on a gluten free diet when i told you to!!" I got pretty pissed off and told her that she's not a medical professional and that I only follow the advice of my childs medical team.
She then continued with her sarcasm throughout the evening, including having a dig about a couple and specifying their race and nodding toward me (same race me).
Also criticised my use of facebook and asked why i anyone needed to know what i'd put on facebook. I've now stopped putting anything on there.
She indicated that she was not happy that her DH was going out with my DH the week after (i'd bought tickets for something for DH's birthday) so according to her DH she decided to plan something on the same day (at the last minute) so he would have come back early to look after kids. Her DH told my DH she does this kind of thing all the time as it seems she doesn't like him going out.

I suspect the whole reason for her evening of vitriol was because she was not happy that i had organised a day out for her DH/my DH as a birthday present, despite me getting her permission months on advance. The only reason i asked her DH is because she had bought tickets for her DH for his birthday previously, and he took my DH to it. So i was trying to be fair and return a trip out.

I've not wanted to go out with this group again because of C. So i've avoided it, but friend A, who admits she was out of order but think's i'm overreacting, just wont let it go and wants me to go out with the group. So after alot of pestering, I went out with them, but i decided to speak as little as possible to avoid C sarcasm. C still managed to get very small dig in even though i said very little. It was very obvious that i didn't want to be there.
I really think it's time for me to say to A that i'm not going out with them ? I just think sometimes that you have to accept that you dont get on with someone. AIBU ? I can still see A on her own.

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FizzyGreenWater · 15/05/2017 10:46

How many in the group?

I'd be blunt here, and I think I'd thoroughly enjoy it!

'No thanks, it'll be dull as hell with C there nitpicking and making sarky comments. She's boring and irritating and I'm not interested, thanks - she brings the whole thing right down and it just feels like a waste of a good night to be honest - happy to do something with you though/ with XXX maybe next week - how about xxx?'

Note especially use of language here. Don't say 'she upsets me' / 'she is unfair' / 'C is hurtful'. She is, but I think you need to reframe this and look stronger. What's happening right now is that you are being cast as the one who 'has a problem' because they won't put up and shut up. This is something that happens in the nicest groups unfortunately - it's much easier to try and shush the 'nice' one rather than call out the 'nasty' one. You're being put on the back foot here and cast as sensitive/needy/making waves.

Fuck that. Reframe it. C isn't 'doing' anything to you - she's just fucking irritating and a boring sarky cow, and you've got better things to do. Get a bit angry, a bit brisk, and take charge, and put C in the firing line as the person spoiling the group.

Kittencatkins123 · 15/05/2017 10:46

Life is too short for this kind of stuff. I had a friend like this and I decided I'd had enough and cut her out. Said to my friends they could crack on with being friends with her but I just wasn't up for it. She then started picking on others in the group, so they got sick of her. We are all still friends, she is long gone.

bungle99 · 15/05/2017 10:47

frenemy i like that :)

It's like being back in the school playground. Someone pretending to be your friend but they are not

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user94567433 · 15/05/2017 10:47

Fantastic Fizzy post!!!

FizzyGreenWater · 15/05/2017 10:47

Sorry when I said there 'C isn't 'doing' anything to you - I meant to frame it like that and give that impression, rather than saying it to you if that makes sense-?! (of course she's doing things to you and sounds like a PITA!)

Foureyesarebetterthantwo · 15/05/2017 10:48

Just keep saying 'A, I don't want to go out with C, I'm glad you get on, but it's not for me, have a nice time' and rinse and repeat. Don't go again. If things become shaky with A because of this, then you know she's not such a good friend either. You are not obligated to go out with people who are not nice to you- in fact, I suggest strongly you don't!

bungle99 · 15/05/2017 10:51

Thanks all. This is really good advice.

A knew there was something up and texted me the next day so i think it's time i tell her i'm not coming out anymore. I know she will still see me separately so it's not a problem.

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Nellyphants · 15/05/2017 10:52

C is a horrible unhappy spiteful sour person. You don't have to waste your time bothering with her. Tbh A sounds not much better if she's happy for C to use you as a punchbag. Just be firm with A, you may need a broken record phrase to use on A. Friendships should add to your life not suck the life out of you.

kaitlinktm · 15/05/2017 10:53

Do any of the other friends or OHs present ever take her up on her comments or defend you? What does your OH think of her - does he ever stick up for you? The racism bit especially sounds awful.

Just ask A why you should have to put up with all that just to make her feel better? You aren't stopping her from seeing C, so why should she care?

(Except, as PP have said, she probably wants you to deflect the nastiness from her, which begs the question why should anyone bother with C at all?)

babayjane67 · 15/05/2017 10:56

Yeah I might have to try that bungle.the mutual friend lives quite far away&we get together at best friends usually or she has come here for a wk&stayed in the school summer hols(we both have similar aged kids)best friend has one ds same age as my eldest dd so grown up.

ICanTuckMyBoobsInMyPockets · 15/05/2017 10:57

Next time she interjects with a sarcastic comment or is rude, turn to face her, you don't need to be any closer to her than you are already, look her right in the eye, and say 'fuck, off' slowly and clearly, then carry on the conversation with whoever spoke last.

I've done it twice, and it's worked. You have told her repeatedly to stop and she's not doing it. A few people might recoil, and look a bit awkward, but just carry on.

pigyoinkoinks · 15/05/2017 10:58

I would most certainly cut ties!

Life's to short to have this kind of problem.

I was in the same situation as you last year OP but decided to cut all ties with poisonous ladies (and some men)
Life is sooooo much easier and chilled! I no longer wake up dreading certain people!

She will pick on a new person and they will back off and so on until she has no friends left!

Flowers
bimbobaggins · 15/05/2017 10:58

With friends like this who needs enemies. Can you and friend a just go out yourself. She'll soon get the message

Serialweightwatcher · 15/05/2017 11:05

I don't think you're being oversensitive and she sounds like a complete bitch, but it would be a shame for you to miss out because of one poisonous cow ..... would it be possible whenever these little digs come out, to shout loudly "why do you always have to be rude", "if you've nothing nice to say, don't say anything" or smile sweetly and keep ignoring until she makes herself look more stupid/rude. When she mentioned about facebook, you should have said "well you obviously feel it necessary to read my posts or you wouldn't be commenting" - just keep ignoring or responding in a way that makes her look stupid and it will stop, but don't get upset because she seems to thrive on it Flowers

ThouShallNotPass · 15/05/2017 11:12

People like her thrive on putting others down and making them feel inferior. She's obviously unaware of the fact that blowing out everyone else's candles does not make yours shine any brighter.

Pull her up on every damn thing she says. Use the MN basic of "Did you mean to sound so rude?"
Mix it up with different comebacks. "Was that necessary to say?" Or "How rude!" Even a simple "Wow. Seriously. Just... wow" without addressing exactly to what she said. Just show your distaste for it.

There's a hundred different things you could come back with to let her know every single time she is being snarky and that you won't stand for it. Either she will cut contact (WIN!) or modify her behaviour (WIN!)

greedygorb · 15/05/2017 11:14

I had a friend like this for years. Judgmental, rude and picked on whoever she thought would take it without answering back(me). I friend dumped her and my life is soooo much better. Friends are meant to make you feel happy not fucked off. It's difficult because your DH's are friends but actually if it causes problems it's for her Dh take her task for being a bitch not your job to justify yourself.

Enidblyton1 · 15/05/2017 11:19

Your mutual friend thinks you might be overreacting. Could she be right?

BigGrannyPants · 15/05/2017 11:23

She sounds like a total bastard and to be honest A doesn't sound great if she thinks it's ok that C speaks to you this way and she just expects you to just suck it up. A should be more understanding of how you feel and C should just fuck off altogether. I agree life is too short to speaks it on people you don't like and who clearly don't like you.

BigGrannyPants · 15/05/2017 11:26

Spend not speaks!

bungle99 · 15/05/2017 11:29

Fizzy yes i get it. Thank you, makes sense. Reframe so i sound strong not pathetic as in "she said this, she did that." I dont enjoy it. I'm not going. I don't need A's approval to stop going. She needs to respect the fact that i don't want to go out with them as a group.

enid that's why i've put on here in detail - to see if i'm overreacting. I don't think i am. Yes C is nice sometimes but using my childs medical problems to put me down was taking it too far plus the rest of the shit i had to put up with for the rest o the evening.

I really think people have made good points, as in if I am not there to pick on she will start on someone else.

A's DH actually said that C is a Nazi and I shouldn't bother with her.
My DH said that i shoudn't go out with them if i'm dreading it and it's time to call it a day. He is also thinking of backing off her DH as he said his friendship is not that important to him.

No one has picked her up on the things she says to me. They don't hear all of the comments (loud noisy pubs).

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memyselfandaye · 15/05/2017 11:29

You need to get angry. Next time she's being a dick, tell her to fuck off, loudly and then cut her out of your life.

Don't ever accept anybody treating you like shit.

bungle99 · 15/05/2017 11:30

Thanks all. Glad to see i'm not over reacting and it's time to stop.

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gamerchick · 15/05/2017 11:42

Why is she on your Facebook?

babayjane67 · 15/05/2017 11:44

Good luck bundle Flowers

ThouShallNotPass · 15/05/2017 11:45

If she's doing it when it's less likely that others will hear, make sure that your reaction is audible to all. Pull her up every time and your friends will begin to realise just how rude she is to you and how often she does it.
Don't react to start arguments but try to make your reaction final. Make it so you are shutting down that conversation and will not be spoken to like that anymore. Turn away and begin speaking to someone else and don't give her a chance to kick off. Get used to shaking your head in disbelief as your standard reaction. Throw in a disgusted lip curl too.

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