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To expect my brother to get himself together?

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Wanda354 · 12/05/2017 09:30

DB has had problems all his adult life, which all stem from substance abuse, mainly alcohol. Over the past 20 years he has lost jobs and friends , been banned from driving twice, been arrested and charged for assault (got off on a technicality), and now his child is the subject of a child protection order. All of this is because of things that happen when he is drunk. He is nearly 40 now.

His partner has 2 older DC from other relationships. DB's relationship with partner is volatile, largely because he is a nasty drunk who says vile things to her and her older 2 DC when in drink, which he then cannot remember afterwards. Her older 2 children have chosen to live with their dads now as a result. DB considers he doesn't have a drink problem because he "only drinks at the weekend". But every Fri and Sat night he has a bottle of wine and 4 beers (each night) and thinks that is ok. Most weekends there is a row, frequently these are major, and I imagine very frightening for the DC to overhear.

Recently things have come to a head and the child protection order put in place. Only a year ago was the charge for assaulting his partner.

DB seems to see all of this as some sort of conspiracy in which events which are "not that bad" are made to look much worse than they are. He doesn't join the dots to recognise that the circumstances that have led to this all arise from his drinking. Whether he actually does realise that deep down, and chooses to ignore it. I don't know. Has said to me that he can't imagine never drinking again as "I've got to have something". Says he doesn't have any friends, never goes out, a weekend drink is all he has to look forward to each week. I have told him that what he does have is a child, who he loves, and who will be taken away eventually, either by his mother or God forbid, social services, if these events don't stop happening.

He always bounces back to my parents' home when things go wrong (they live close by, I am an hour away) never thanks them for their support, never apologises for his behaviour. Over the years they have replaced cars he has written off when drunk, bailed him out financially, my dad has spent 2 periods of 18 months driving him to and from work every day while he was banned (so he wouldn't lose the job). Now they hide alcohol and car keys when he is there. They are in their 70s and don't want to be picking up the pieces any more but I think fear what would become of him if they didn't. Both of them text me regularly telling me they have had enough. It is destroying their relationship with each other and their ability to enjoy life. It's like a constant shadow for DM worrying what will happen next. She wakes in the night worrying about it. My dad says little but his disappointment is obvious.

I offer to have DB at mine but he rarely comes as it's not convenient for his work. Have tried to talk to him about getting help to stop drinking; he won't countenance it.

Despite all this, my DB is actually a nice person when "normal" and I love him so much. AIBU to expect him to get himself together for the sake of his child and for the sake of our parents, who will not be around forever? What can I do to make him realise this? What can I do to help my parents?

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PeaFaceMcgee · 12/05/2017 11:06

Many addicts in denial end up dead. For many there's no 'bottom' that shocks them into making better choices.

Others may get there but it has to come from THEM. Only by shutting the door on them and refusing to pick up the pieces does this happen, though.

Or it could cause scenario 1 to play out faster. But right now, everyone is suffering. Everyone.

PeaFaceMcgee · 12/05/2017 11:19

(shutting the door following unreasonable behaviour, I mean)

FanjoForTheMammaries · 12/05/2017 11:21

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BastardGoDarkly · 12/05/2017 13:30

I was an addict for 10 years fanjo , heroin. In my case it was a choice, there were plenty of times I chose to stop, and couldnt/didn't. But when I really had to choose,I moved towns, cut off all my old friends, and chose to never go back.

VacantExpression · 12/05/2017 13:34

Wow BastardGo, you have done incredibly well. Well done you I cant imagine the strength you must have found to have gone through that.

Dozer · 12/05/2017 13:34

He is abusing his family.

In the circumstances, your and your parents' primary concern should be his partner and DC.

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Wanda354 · 12/05/2017 13:45

Well done BastardGoDarkly. That's amazing. Do you mind me asking what it was that prompted you to make that change in the end. No need to answer if too personal.

The situation with my SiL is a bit tricky because she has blown hot and cold with my parents over the years too. Turned on then at various times but then later expected to carry on as if nothing happened. My DM loves to help but my DF by now just wants it all off his doorstep TBH and I don't blame him. He would be very unhappy about SiL and nephew being round there more often.

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PeaFaceMcgee · 12/05/2017 13:49

It's pretty clear to me that this prince is choosing to not get help. He chooses to drink heavily only at weekends.

Re addictions are a disease, they're not in control of their choices etc.. It explains the compulsion but anyone can choose to accept help, or not.

FlappyFish · 12/05/2017 13:53

As a recovering alkie here...

He's not having to face true consequences as your parents step in to save him.

The poor me thing. We have a saying in AA. Poor me. Pour me. Pour me another drink.

He sounds deep in denial.

There is nothing you can do. The only thing you can do is stop enabling and disengage. Which is heart breaking. I hated my parents and partner when they started cutting me off. My behaviour escalated. But I'm sobriety I see why they had to.

All the best.

BastardGoDarkly · 12/05/2017 14:51

In all honesty Wanda everything came to a head, I'd been nicked for shoplifting so many times, my straight friends stopped calling, I'd dropped to 6 stone, and one day i rang my Mam, we always met up on a Tuesday. She said she didn't want to come, that she could no longer bear it, I cried and cried, packed up my stuff and dog, went to my brothers and got on subutex, then moved to literally the arse end of nowhere and had my children, this is over ten years ago now, thank fuck!

BigGrannyPants · 12/05/2017 15:39

Everyone needs to stop helping him with cars, lifts, it's excusing his behaviour in his eyes. His DP should leave and take his DC with her. He doesn't deserve them, if your friend was telling you about her violent abusive partner, describing him the way you have described you would tell your friend to LTB. Your DB needs real consequences, everyone needs to take a step back and stop trying to fix his life.

PeaFaceMcgee · 12/05/2017 16:15

How heartbreaking that his partner put this abuser before her own flesh and blood children Sad

Goldfishjane · 12/05/2017 16:35

BigGrannyPants "His DP should leave and take his DC with her"

she can't, it's her house.

She should chuck him out for good and tbh I think she should have the stated support of his family in doing this. I get that her FIL is tired of the situation but the partner and child should at least get moral support.

i wish she would just chuck him out and say "no more" but one look at the Relationships board here shows how likely that is. What a pity. It's horrible for his family of course but I have to say, if my sibling hit their partner they'd lose me instantly. Blood doesn't transcend anything in my view - but even if it did - not that!!!

Wanda354 · 15/05/2017 10:55

Got a call from SiL yesterday, upset that DB was drinking at home when one of her DC was visiting. Social services have told him that he is not allowed to drink when they are there. Literally days after this instruction, he's flouting it. I spoke to him, he said "DC didn't see me and it was only one beer". I asked what the hell is the matter with him, which got a "F off" and hung up. Later on he also told our DM to F off when she expressed her views.

SiL now says she wants him to leave and is going to tell him he won't be welcome back. The problem is, I can't see our parents turning him away if he has nowhere else to go. They say they will, but I know that when push comes to shove, they won't.

I can't believe the level of his self-indulgence and stupidity. Am dreading the consequences for my parents, who will now end up living with this sullen, abusive baby.

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Goldfishjane · 15/05/2017 10:59

oh what a mare
it's right that your SIL finally throws him out though

I would probably also say to your parents that you won't go round if he is there, but that's me. What a pity your parents won't tell him to F off.

Has his violence been reported to the police?

Wanda354 · 15/05/2017 11:58

Goldfish the DV incident was a year ago, he was charged but SiL had returned to her home country so wasn't there to give evidence. As a result, no conviction. No further incidents of that nature since, just general unpleasantness when drunk.

DB needs to get somewhere to live. That will have to be a room somewhere. Problem is, he won't go and do that himself as he believes he will be staying at SiL's flat, or that she will let him return after a while (she always has before), or that he will stay at our parents'. So the first time he will realise that he can't, will require my ageing parents to double lock their door against him, and tell him he is not welcome to enter. This will be late at night usually. He'd then be on the street for the night and although my parents currently say they would do this, I can't see it myself.

The way I see it, he would literally have to be left with no door open to him for a few days before he tried to find somewhere else to stay. That would probably end up meaning he'd lose his job (as wouldn't go there after a night on the street), and we'd all be blamed for that. No one wants things to get worse for him, but he's the only one who seems not to want things to get better.

He has blocked me on his phone so I can't even call or text him.

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Goldfishjane · 15/05/2017 12:12

gosh you're probably lucky he's blocked you.

I almost don't want to encourage you worrying about this but you will anyway because of the impact on parents.

if he doesn't get a room of his own then your parents will have to lock the door against him. There is another option but it's not great - for your parents to hire a room for him and tell him that's where he lives. I've known someone do this with an adult child who wouldn't budge and wouldn't get a job. The humiliation of being taken out for "lunch", then pitching up at a place and being told "this is your room and you can't bounce back to ours" was a bit of a wake up call.

Dozer · 15/05/2017 12:51

Your parents will make their own choices and are responsible for the consequences of them.

All you can do is highlight that enabling him might well not help, perhaps make suggestions (eg encouraging them to contact specialist organisations such as Al Anon), and detach.

Dozer · 15/05/2017 12:52

What landlord/other tenants would want someone living in there house like that though, Goldfish?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/05/2017 12:59

Am dreading the consequences for my parents, who will now end up living with this sullen, abusive baby

I understand your worry, but then that's their choice isn't it? Just as your DB is opting not to get help or make any changes, so everyone else is choosing to avoid a different approach and it's getting you all nowhere

To consider an absolute worst case scenario, if all the family refuse to support his actions and he ends up killing himself then that's one life ruined beyond repair - but if you all carry on as you are, a far greater number of lives could be ruined instead and the end result for him may be no different

It really might come down to having to choose which of those options are least awful to you

welovepancakes · 15/05/2017 13:24

Substance misuse is a form of self-harm. Some people hit rock bottom and it's the making of them. For others, rock bottom is......... rock bottom, with dire consequences

It's very easy to say that the family should demonstrate tough love, but that's one of those things that's far easier said than done. If my children were down on their luck & asking for help, would I turn them away? Maybe, maybe not

I suggest you seek professional advice

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/05/2017 13:41

It's very easy to say that the family should demonstrate tough love, but that's one of those things that's far easier said than done

You're absolutely right, but is it necessarily any harder than seeing the rest of the family destroyed along with the user?

Nobody pretends this is easy, but when years of a particular approach have brought no result, isn't it inevitable that something else will have to be tried to prevent even more disaster?

welovepancakes · 15/05/2017 14:38

Puzzled I agree it's awful to watch other family members suffer. Absolutely. I submitted my own post because I felt that a number of people were saying that the OP's parents should withdraw support, without acknowledging how incredibly painful and difficult that is

Dozer · 15/05/2017 14:45

It goes without saying that it's difficult.

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