To put my 6 week old on Soya Formula?

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I'm dairy free as I can't quite cope with it, it gives me a bad stomach.

My son is on cow & gate comfort as he struggles with constipation but it hasn't helped.

I come from a family with dairy intolerance, I have a brother with a protein allergy from cows milk.

I also do not believe that as humans, we should be using another species milk, it's weird (but that's my opinion).

So I've been looking at SMA Soya to put my son on, wibu to make that decision myself without consulting a gp?

*If you suspect your baby has cow's milk protein allergy you must see your GP.

Soya formula is not suitable for babies, especially those under 6 months.
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Just wanted to pass on a really handy info sheet about milk allergy in children from The British Dietetic Association.

*The passage below is quoted from it:

Soya based Formulas
Infant formulas based on soya milk are not suitable as
a first line alternative for infants under 6 months of age.
After 6 months they should only be used if recommended
by a healthcare professional if the child does NOT also
have a soya protein allergy (ie. has tested negative

for soya allergy) or if other alternatives have proved

unsuccessful or if the family want a formula suitable for
vegans after discussion with a Dietitian.
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http://www.nhs.uk/ipgmedia/National/British%20Dietetic%20Association/assets/MilksforChildrenwithaCowsMilkAllergy.pdff*

Sorry don't know why that was all in bold

Second apology for not rtft! Good luck with re-establishing BF. The link could be useful and it is still very much advisable to see your GP for suspected CMPA.

You can try nutramigen which is diary free and if a Pediatriation confirms with your GP your baby needs diary free formula you will be able to receive it as a free Nhs prescription.

I would say this needs to be something that your GP refers DC to a Paed about.

Not being funny, but I've heard the argument about milk years ago. But you can't really mess about with babies according to your preference.

DC needs testing for allergies really for when it comes to weaning.

B12 deficiency is a potentially fatal condition.
Please take a pediatricians advice before you hurt your baby

That's fantastic, op.
Lots of skin to skin will really help.
Make sure you are doing 'paced feeding' with the bottles you give.

kellymom.com/bf/got-milk/relactation/

Not being funny, but I've heard the argument about milk years ago. But you can't really mess about with babies according to your preference.

It's not just a preference.

We are humans drinking cows milk, no wonder a lot of people can't stomach it, it wasn't made for us.

Cows milk causes far too many issues in my family.

I don't eat dairy, I drink oat milk & eat vegan cheese. Obviously not dairy but I can't even eat chicken eggs.

It's the same story for my DM,DB's,DS & Daunt's

It's not just a coincidence.

Hi I'm going through this a bit too with my 8wk old. GP and I think he has cmpa so I'm eliminating all dairy as I'm bf but I've just read that you can get an amino acid based formula which has the protein needed as opposed to Soy, which is difficult for them to digest this young and may create more problems. Good luck

Sorry just read you're re-establishing breastfeeding, I didn't want to be preachy but that is the bestest thing as your milk won't contain anything nasty for him - I'm doing the elimination but it's so hard to decipher foods, dairy is in everything, bread is the hardest to work out and whether or not goat or sheep products would cause the same effect so I'm not having them either

I've been vegan for 20 years, and I have dairy intolerance, as does my DM and Dsis. I think drinking milk is just plain weird/wrong BUT I would not put my baby on soya formula from the outset. There are reasons they don't recommend it, I would speak to your health visitor first. You might speak to them and they might say go for it given your family history or they might recommend some other cows milk hypoallergenic one. You can't mess around with a 6 week old…you really have to put your faith in the professionals.

FWIW although I have dairy intolerance and family history of it my kids all managed dairy. When kids are tiny they have more lactase in their gut so they are more able to digest milk than adults…

My son was breast fed but had a severe milk allergy - not diagnosed for 5 months ish.
Crying , windy, horrible poos etc

I would simply try latching him on when he is settled and just trying to re start breastfeeding with you. Just relax and see how it goes. I would make sure you keep your calories up - far higher than usual to help bump up your milk supply and drink lots.

There is a lot more advice out there I know but I think keep it simple and just try.

My son had soya formula and neonate when I started weaning - both on prescription but I wouldn't choose to give my son solely soya milk formula so early due to high levels of phytoestrogens in soya products.

Good luck xx

There are no plant based sources of B12.
If you remove all animal products from your diet it is only safe with careful supplementation.
B12 deficiency is potentially fatal.
This is not something you can safely consider for a baby without professional help.
Being born to a vegan and being breast fed increases the likelihood that the baby is already deficient and this would account for any feeding problems. Nitrous oxide during the birth will also oxidise (deactivate) any B12 the mother has in her system.
Please make sure your baby is given a blood test OP.

www.b12deficiency.info/b12-and-pregnancy/

www.b12deficiency.info/vegetarians-and-b12/

We are humans drinking cows milk, no wonder a lot of people can't stomach it, it wasn't made for us

Thats ADULTS. Adults of no species need milk. That is why SECONDARY lactose/dairy problems are common.

Babies need milk. We are mammals. They will die without it it, its the single defining aspect of being a mammal.They are supposed to drink human milk, and where that is not possible or chosen, they then drink the milk of another species as a substitute.

Honestly, you have no grasp of basic biology. Please see a professional who does before you make your child very ill.

Honestly, you have no grasp of basic biology. Please see a professional who does before you make your child very ill.

Please remove yourself from my thread.

A substitute from another species was decided by humans..it does not mean its right, or even going to be beneficial given that so many babies are diagnosed with CMPI.

My brother has CMPI, does that mean because he needs calcium we should force it down his throat and tell him it's good for him and to suck it up?? Nope.

Wake up OP!

It is very clear to everyone that you have no idea about paediatric nutrition and willing to risk the life of your baby!

Babies need milk. We are mammals. They will die without it it, its the single defining aspect of being a mammal.They are supposed to drink human milk, and where that is not possible or chosen, they then drink the milk of another species as a substitute.

Honestly, you have no grasp of basic biology. Please see a professional who does before you make your child very ill.

user, the OP isn't refusing to feed her baby. She's acknowledging that cows' milk isn't the optimum food for human infants, as you've said yourself, and often does cause constipation and other problems. She's still feeding it to her baby, as being the next best thing to breastmilk, and simply wants to discuss other options, about which she has received sensible advice here. Don't be a bellend.

OP, delighted to hear your baby is latching again and seems to be feeding. Definitely get in touch with LLL or an IBCLC for some support and advice. Relactation isn't easy but is certainly possible. As others have said, expressing does not accurately reflect your supply - some women get literally nothing when they try to pump - so I wouldn't assume that you have genuine supply issues just because of that.

She is applying ideas about adults drinking milk to babies. She has determined that the child shouldn't be having cows milk because of her own bias, not because of any sensible reason. She's convinced that cows milk formula is simply a bad thing, because she knows fuck all about it.
Dangerous. I hope a HV is involved here, this child will need keeping an eye on.

You dont seem to have had the correct information about Breastfeeding in the early weeks and thats a shame but as others have pointed out you cant go back only forward.

Its great that your baby has relatched but please get yourself along to a support group for assistance and whilst your supply is rebuilding your going to supplement for awhile.

Listen out for baby gulping and at least 6 wet nappies a day.

In regards to moving off cow based formula you need to speak to your GP. Cows milk is not optimal for babies guts which is why its been treated and made into a formula.

you can get an amino acid based formula which has the protein needed

All proteins are made of amino acids.

*Wake up OP!

It is very clear to everyone that you have no idea about paediatric nutrition and willing to risk the life of your baby!*

Wake up & learn to read!! I've already said I am going to re establish breastfeeding, I started last night!

Cmpa is strongly heridetary therefore the family link will be relevant.

Write down all of the babies symptoms (reflux, wind, bowel movements, colic, skin condition, how much they drink, how much is vomited back up, weight gain

Also write down the family links

Go and see the gp and tell them you think it's a milk allergy and show the list. They will prescribe you nutramigen milk most likely. If you ask them what's wrong they won't, if you sound like you know whT you are talking about they will often agree with you.

Please do Not give soya milk to babies without medical advice.

www.hartlepoolandstocktonccg.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/4.3-Baby-Milk-All.pdf

I would suggest reading this and using this as a guide - from
My experience most if not all care trusts have a similar policy and guideline