To think that voting tactically in the GE

[LittleLionMansMummy]

Is now the only viable option to prevent Tory dominance for the foreseeable future? And even that is a very remote possibility. The liberal/ moderate vote is too split to provide an effective opposition to hard Brexit.

I'm voting Tory to try to keep the SNP out

Tory will win OP. Because their voters are sick of people like you, mostly.

Your best bet is to lobby the opposition to make themselves more effective.

Charming Wando. But I'll try to have a sensible debate with you nonetheless.

In which case, do you believe that a One Party state (that is, only one party is capable of actually winning for the foreseeable future) is a healthy and democratic state of affairs? Whatever your politics? My question is as much about the voting system as the political ideology tbh.

I don't understand how this progressive alliance is supposed to work when Corbyn and his crew can't even work with the moderate Labour MPs.

The death of a viable opposition sits with one very stubborn man

Well quite Bigbiscuits. I'm going on the basis that you cannot change someone else's behaviour, but you can change your own response to it.

Voting tactically is nigh on impossible when the opposition is so split. I'll vote with my gut

The tories are blowing the dog whistle. The people are following it.

Tactical voting is like a classic version of the prisoners dilemma.

If A and B each betray the other, each of them serves 2 years in prison

If A betrays B but B remains silent, A will be set free and B will serve 3 years in prison (and vice versa)

If A and B both remain silent, both of them will only serve 1 year in prison (on the lesser charge)

In other words, you need to know what everyone else is voting!

That's what I don't understand though Batteries. There's a fag paper between the moderates, so voting with your gut hands power to the Conservatives for pretty much forever doesn't it?

Well... I live in a labour stronghold, don't think it's been conservative for over thirty years...

I'm similar but reversed Phil - Conservative heartland where even a tactical vote is a completely fruitless one.

Better to do that than rely on what - mumsnet? - to tell me how all the non-Tories will be voting. What's your solution? There is no way to determine who will be in a position to win a Tory seat. I'm in a Tory seat. I have a funny feeling Labour will be the runners up. I am planning to vote labour. But how do I know? I don't know. Maybe lib dem will be the runners up. Between the lib dem involvement in the coalition, and the attitude towards Corbyn, previous voting means very little. I can't look at previous voting records. So the only solution I have is to go with my gut.

The only people that should have voted tactically are the Labour membership. Do they want a 6th form student protest group or to attempt to form a government

I live in a lib dem/Tory marginal. I am a Labour Party member but will be voting lib dem to help keep the tories out of my constituency.

I, also, will be voting Tory as a tactical vote against the SNP.

I think those are the situations I'm talking about Miaow. The marginals where there's a very obvious two-way split. Round here whatever I do is likely a wasted vote because Tories/ UKIP were so dominant last time (72% of the vote) but seeing as I believe passionately in voting, Labour is third placed and by a huge margin from the LibDems.

There's some information here:

uk.businessinsider.com/tactical-voting-guide-how-to-vote-tactically-2017-general-election-by-constituency-2017-4

My point is though that with Lib Dem so destroyed very recently, and the 'was Labour but not Jezza' significant number of Labour voters, you can't go on past splits.

We have had local elections. It's always been lib dem or Tory. Always always forever and forever. Expect now apparently it was Tory vs Labour. A big labour contingency has sprung out of nowhere. Lib Dem totally deserted.

I predict stuff like that happening everywhere come the GE

Should add I'm pissed because I 'tactically' voted Lib Dem because I didn't know WTF else to do. If me and others like me had voted Labour the Tories would have been out. I reckon there's a fair number of tactical voters round here kicking themselves. Taught me a lesson

Yes that's an interesting point Batteries. I was considering Lib Dem because I don't like Corbyn (life long Labour voter previously) and I believed they were a lot more (vocally) pro-EU than Labour. I think the confusion and current political landscape, as well as the voting system, will only (ever?) favour the Conservatives.

Presumably Corbyn will be out on his arse soon after the election, so the issue of him working with other progressive parties shouldn't arise? One would assume.

And yes of course there's a place for tactical voting. There usually is, in a somewhat multi party system.