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To Think the Tories Are STILL At War With The Disabled?

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JoffreyBaratheon · 03/05/2017 10:56

As parent of a disabled child, this is what I'm preoccupied with, during a General Election...

Under Cameron and Osborne, and iDS - it was clear the tories were engaging in an all out war on the disabled. Cuts to benefits, and services and of course, the loathed and disgusting PIP replacing DLA...

But what has strong and stable (well, weak an unstable) Theresa May done to reverse the damage? Nothing, so far as I can see.

My son had DLA for life and by some miracle, managed to get PIP but will now have to re-apply in five years. If the tories have the cure for autism and it is going to be made available in 5 years - fair enough. But something tells me - they haven't. We were put through months of hell for that.

Other disabled people and their carers have far worse stories.

Now I might be stupid but I can't see what May has done to address the callous culture of PIP. She is still attacking the disabled. Or am I missing something and AIBU?

I think this should be enough to lose them the election. The fact they have attacked disabled people to the extent they have. Am I the only one not to be hoodwinked by this 'I'm only a vicar's daughter' BS? What she has done to the disabled is the least 'christian' thing I can think of and I want her held to account for it. Anyone else?

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TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 08:07

Youd be surprised who people get support from.

Our main support has been from charities

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 08:07

I presume the uni is supporting him and thr OP has a lot of input too.

CheesyCrust · 07/05/2017 08:10

Spikeyball

Some people have a full time carer whilst at university.

I think it's wonderful that if that's what he needs, he gets it and I'd be delighted if it enables him get a good degree and have a good career on the back of it.

I don't see how you can reconcile this support provided by the government that the same government are at war with the disabled. That's what I'd like you to explain to me (and I think it's what others are waiting for too). Alternatively, he is unsupported for a semester at a time and the OP shouldn't be waiting for handouts.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 08:13

They're presumably less at war with disabled people with job prospects who are able to attend uni

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 08:14

Carers and those who cant work seem to be fair game.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 08:16

Plus my child gets support from the council, who are not Tory. She is getting less and less as the government give them less funding.

Its getting harder and harder for the kids to get any placement when they leave school

Your argument doesnt stack up.

SynysterGates · 07/05/2017 08:17

"is it not just parenting to look after your own child? All parents provide care, some more than others granted but they all still do it."

its stuff like this that mean the government can get away with the way they treat carers.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 08:18

Caring for your adult kid and so being unable to work is hardly standard parenting.

DixieNormas · 07/05/2017 08:24

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CheesyCrust · 07/05/2017 08:30

Monkey

Ah, so now you're saying that the OP's situation is okay, but 'what about the others ...' Which others? Generic generalisations aren't going to persuade anyone and when a specific example like the OP's is used, it seems you can't argue for it. I'm not sure where you think the council get their funding from. If you feel they're misdirecting the funds then you can blame the 'not Tory' council.

I don't think that a reapplication for state support every 5 years (as in the OP's son's case) is unfair. Especially as, as a graduate, he may be earning well and not deserve state subsidy.

Carers, when not caring, are simply the unemployed. they shouldn't be left hungry and homeless, but they should, while receiving benefits, be working hard to find a job as opposed to waiting around.

Which of my arguments don't stand up?

I praised the government for enabling the OPs son to attend uni.

I said that if the government don't support him then he is fine by himself and she doesn't deserve a carers allowance.

On another thread you tried to put a few posters down telling them about your Oxbridge degree so I assume you're intelligent, but can you really not see the failing logic in the OP's situation?

DixieNormas

They are [at war with the disabled], or you have a feeling they will be in the future?

It seems to me that supporting those to attend uni who will then be able to become contributing members of society is a great thing and a very Conservative-esque thing to do. Guess what, without people like the OP's son, those who won't support themselves will have no one to pay for their help.

PerkingFaintly · 07/05/2017 08:31

On page one, someone repeated the myth that GPs were the gatekeeper to the system.

It's just that: a myth. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7223687.stm

I know first-hand because I was sent to the DWP's own medical assessment centre, employing its own doctors, in 2003 after 12 weeks off sick.

GPs could sign sick notes for up to 28 weeks (long enough to cover broken legs, recovery from operations, etc). After that, the DWP would test anyone it deemed appropriate. I assume that, as now, the DWP could also decide to grant an award after a paper review of the existing medical evidence.

ATOS testing was introduced with two big, fat headline lies: that signing-off was going to be moved from people's GPs to independent DWP doctors.

Well it wasn't true that GPs were signing off the long-term sick, and it also wasn't true that the ATOS assessors would be doctors: many are nurses, physiotherapists - people with no knowledge of the conditions they assess.

My experience was that the assessment changed from a genuine attempt by the DWP to find out about your capability, to game-playing by the DWP: steeplechases to even get an application form, massively shortened deadlines, contorted attempts to avoid hearing relevant information.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 08:34

Cheesy i have indeed provided examples.of "others" namely my own child and kids at her school. Maybe read my posts before aaying i cant provide evidence.

As for carers finding jobs while not caring, term time jobs are exceedingly hard to get.

Spikeyball · 07/05/2017 08:37

If as a graduate he is earning well, he may still be entitled to PIP because it is not a means tested benefit.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 08:40

As for non Tory council misappropriating the money there IS no money.

These are severely disabled kids leaving school and having no support.

Its offensive to belittle and dismiss their struggles.

Spikeyball · 07/05/2017 08:40

Term time jobs are not easy to get and there are not many jobs in general that let you have days off with no notice / leave in the middle of the day with no notice because you need to deal with something.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 08:40

Safety net my arse.

Hand up only for those who can contribute more like.

DixieNormas · 07/05/2017 08:41

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YoureSpartacus · 07/05/2017 08:44

Spikeyball

He may still be entitled to PIP because it is not a means tested benefit

Wrong, isn't it. Why should he get that if in the future he has an good salary and can support himself when Monkey's council don't have enough money?

Monkey

I praised the government for enabling the OPs son to attend uni.

I said that if the government don't support him then he is fine by himself and she doesn't deserve a carers allowance.

On another thread you tried to put a few posters down telling them about your Oxbridge degree so I assume you're intelligent, but can you really not see the failing logic in the OP's situation?

Which of my arguments don't stand up?

Which of my arguments don't stand up?

Which of my arguments don't stand up?

DixieNormas · 07/05/2017 08:48

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Spikeyball · 07/05/2017 08:58

Spartacus, I think you need to using some quotation marks.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 09:01

On another thread you tried to put a few posters down telling them about your Oxbridge degree

Err i did not.

I told YOU about it because you said I didn't know grammar rules. Just you.

(Yes i pointed out the typo in your original name and then apologised)

Please don't rewrite the facts to make me look bad.

Typical Tory.

YoureSpartacus · 07/05/2017 09:13

@Monkey

You don't understand capitalisation or how to use commas either.

Please stop moaning, handwringing and looking to others for support. Typical Lib Dem (or Green?).

Which of my arguments don't stand up?

Which of my arguments don't stand up?

Which of my arguments don't stand up?

DixieNormas

So you don't think people who have money should be entitled to financial support with their disabilities then?

Depending on how you define "money", no I don't think you should be entitled. I don't like entitlement and still using the OP's example (which she made public and gave details), if her son gets a fantastic graduate job and by the time he's re-assessed earns £70,000, he shouldn't get the same benefits (or any) as someone who doesn't have the ability to attend university or get a job and needs the money to live.

MissEDashwood · 07/05/2017 09:20

Does anyone know the Severe Disablement thing works, in essentially waiting to be house, no one gets careers allowance for me. Am I entitled to it?

Do they back date say the support group payment back to when your claim started?

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 07/05/2017 09:22

You don't understand capitalisation or how to use commas either.

a) I do. I'd like to see you being careful with grammar while coping with my DD.
b) Grow up..is that the best you can do? Its like year 7 arguing.

gamerchick · 07/05/2017 09:23

we go back to the days of institutions instead

Looks like we're heading that way to me. There are some serious bellends in this world who don't have a clue, it's well scary Confused