To Think the Tories Are STILL At War With The Disabled?

[JoffreyBaratheon]

As parent of a disabled child, this is what I'm preoccupied with, during a General Election...

Under Cameron and Osborne, and iDS - it was clear the tories were engaging in an all out war on the disabled. Cuts to benefits, and services and of course, the loathed and disgusting PIP replacing DLA...

But what has strong and stable (well, weak an unstable) Theresa May done to reverse the damage? Nothing, so far as I can see.

My son had DLA for life and by some miracle, managed to get PIP but will now have to re-apply in five years. If the tories have the cure for autism and it is going to be made available in 5 years - fair enough. But something tells me - they haven't. We were put through months of hell for that.

Other disabled people and their carers have far worse stories.

Now I might be stupid but I can't see what May has done to address the callous culture of PIP. She is still attacking the disabled. Or am I missing something and AIBU?

I think this should be enough to lose them the election. The fact they have attacked disabled people to the extent they have. Am I the only one not to be hoodwinked by this 'I'm only a vicar's daughter' BS? What she has done to the disabled is the least 'christian' thing I can think of and I want her held to account for it. Anyone else?

But Herethere... the fact is that most people do use state schools and the NHS. Anyone with any kind of ongoing health issue (and I don't necessarily mean disability) who votes Tory is taking the NHS for granted. I saw an example of it the other day where posters on another thread clearly have their head in the sand 'oh the NHS is not being privatised, there's no evidence to suggest it will cease to exist' etc. This is simply fool hardy when you consider how many people get cancer and dementia.

How many people actually use private schools - 7%? How many people can afford private health care exclusively? Very few...

People often don't fully understand what they're voting for. They all don't see the obvious flaws in Tory policy.

Id like to know how Ukip and the greens would treat disabled. they never say.

Also, why do people vote Tory?

10 Where I live theres only Tory/Labour/Lib Dems/Green candidates up for elction and I don't want to vote for any of those parties but If I have to, It will e the one that will get Brexit spot on.

2. channel 4 and 5 persist in showing these trash programmes about benefits Britain and the like, and that means EVERYONE on benefits is the same. and it infuriates people. it infuriates me, a genuine disabled claimant.

never a programme about the truly disabled and their carers.

Yanbu, it's fucking shocking, sadly lots of people don't give a shit

Id like to know how Ukip and the greens would treat disabled. they never say.

er, don't the Greens support a citizens income ? And UKIP are probably fans of Aktion T4.

JoffreyBaratheon

It is an absolute lack of empathy for for anyone's situation but their own and it's all dressed up as being 'sensible' for 'economic reasons' when it is being 'selfish' for 'selfish reasons'.

Well, that nailed it!

But you aren't against Tories for your selfish reasons? The entire premise of the post is selfish and about you voting in your self interest and not understanding how others won't agree with you and vote in what you say is the right way; but you're saying this from an extremely biased and self-interested position.

Do you not see the irony?

With your son at university, does he have a carer there?

I honestly believe that the measure that have been taken pre-election will be negated post election. The Tories want the NHS to fail to enable franchise based schemes.

It's obvious that with the right support in place many can be treated at home. But that would mean more in the care budget.

One of the first things TM secured was Foreign Aid. I'm all for helping others, but maybe make sure those in your own country are ok first.

Social Housing is abysmal, not enough sites being built, councils relying on portions of private estates going to SH. When I was visited a few weeks back, the MDT basically said we need to get you in a better situation, it's just how do we do that.

It's a very serious question, I'd need housing, then for amendments to be made to such a property. I've got more chance of finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

I honestly dread to think what may happen.

'But you aren't against Tories for your selfish reasons?'

Oh yes, vulnerable people are selfish - I've heard it all now FFS

'never a programme about the truly disabled and their carers.'

Quite. Unfortunately there are a lot of stupid people (sheeple?) out there who just believe whatever propaganda nonsense is spewed out of the television.

@lottieandmia

Women can be sexist, black people can be racist, vulnerable people can be selfish. Yes. Does this surprise you?

@lottieandmia

There are indeed. Like those who think Conservatives want to kill the disabled off and anyone who wanted to leave Europe was racist.

Very, very stupid people.

vulnerable people can be selfish

Or err shit scared more like.

I think the Tories believe that God is on their side.

Yes people are selfish for wanting a decent quality of life. I had the selfish argument used against me when trying to get decent educational provision for my child. It is a stick to beat vunerable people with.

So the vulnerable can't be selfish?

I'm a little confused about the OP's situation. She's "unemployable" which I assume means unemployed and therefore living off the state. When her son comes home from University (and I'm delighted that a young man with issues that require a full time parental carer can get himself a degree) she needs extra money but is frustrated that it takes too long to get it.

I understand that people should be given money if they have to give up work to support a disabled family member, but she seems to want a top-up ("that belongs to me") when he's home for the holidays.

Either he has a full time carer at university and she should be grateful that she lives in a country with a government that supports this or he doesn't and she wants a bit more cash from the state.

Or she cant work because she has to be available regularly to care for her son and yet shes left high and dry in term tines without income? And has to jump though hoops? Just as Tories like it.

When he is home for the holidays she will be doing the caring.

Available regularly as in during holiday times.

Either she has a lot to thank the government for for giving her son the enormous support he needs to attend university or she isn't as necessary as she says. I guess a third option is that her son receives enormous support (from the Tory government), she is necessary but wants more and more and more money and despite the support given to her, hates the Tories and thinks they're at war with the son they're putting through HE.

I worked in an industry where we employed lots of students during holidays but were always crying out for staff when they returned to their studies. There are jobs she could and should do.

When he is home for the holidays she will be doing the caring.

And who does the caring whilst he's at uni?

You also seem incredulous that someone who requires a carer can go to university. That indicates you lack understanding of disability.

Spikeyball

I think you need to read a little more carefully instead of spinning and twisting my words.

I asked if he needed a carer at university. If he does and gets one then it's wonderful he gets it and surely flies in the face of suggesting that the government which enables this is at war with the disabled.

If he doesn't have one then why should the OP get a carers allowance?

If he gets a carer while he is at uni thats still no reason to punish his carer in general.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin

I couldn't agree more and it sounds like a flawed system. However, how can you say that the Tories, who make his attendance possible are "at war with the disabled"? The two seem mutually exclusive.

How can he only need care in the holidays? If he can cope at uni for most of the year surely he can manage in the holidays too?

Is it not just parenting to look after your own child? All parents provide care, some more than others granted but they all still do it.

TheMoneyAnd

If he gets a carer while he is at uni that's still no reason to punish his carer in general.

But how can she say that the government hate disabled people and are at war with them if her son gets the support he needs to go to uni? If he doesn't need or get support at uni then why does he suddenly need it during holiday time?

Some people have a full time carer whilst at university. Some people require less direct input in a structured environment but obviously that doesn't work at home. The op will doubtless be doing some caring even when her son is away as I still do caring for mine whilst he is at school.