About job adverts that don't mention the salary?

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Or even a ballpark... What is the actual point! I'm finding this particularly annoying as jobs in my field at different levels will mention the same skills (obviously at varying levels) BUT NO SALARY INFO! Why!?!?

I have never (as far as I can recall) disclosed my existing salary when applying for a new role - but always had a clear idea of what I am looking for in the new post.

It is only when one moves jobs that you get to make jumps in pay. After that, you are looking at inflation or lower.

Can't you just ask when before you get the interview ? Surely is not rude to say it needs to be over a set amount as you have commitments to meet etc

As an aside note declaring salaries in an organisation will not do anything to help the gender pay gap. An organisation can have no equal pay issues but a large gender pay gap as this is driven by overall average pay so if your female workforce is predominantly in lower paying admin roles and the males in senior managerial roles you will have a pay gap.

I agree it is annoying. Possibly it is a way of paying some people less.

I'd excuse it for some jobs, such as manager of Arsenal FC if it is advertised when it becomes vacant on May 28th!

It will do something shenanigans because there are organisations where the men get paid more than the women doing literally the same job. It's not going to fix deeper rooted structural issues causing the pay gap like typically male work being seen as more skilled than typically female work, devaluation of jobs when there are more women in them etc. But it won't do nothing either.

Ok it will do something but on the scale of it very little to the gender pay gap. Unless organisations start having increased numbers of females on their boards, senior management teams then the gender pay gap will remain stubbornly high regardless of whether there is an equal pay issue or not.

Actually I think on reflection it might have some potential to tackle men and women being paid differently for the same level of work but different jobs, iyswim. People don't necessarily realise how much more some less skilled roles get paid than others. More transparency would help with that.

That's not to say we don't need more women on boards of course. You are quite right there.

I have never (as far as I can recall) disclosed my existing salary when applying for a new role - but always had a clear idea of what I am looking for in the new post

Same here. Every job move, I've had a decent raise. I've always negotiated fairly hard at the beginning of the selection process and been prepared to walk away if they don't pay my expectation (rather than what I was on).

BlueSkyBurningBright I find at amazing they use agencies because whats the point in having your own HR department if you are not going to recruit your own staff? Would you buy a house that someone else has viewed for you or would you rather have a look yourself? If you're going to throw £30,000pa at someone along with thousands in training and career development you should at least get a good look at everyone who shows an interest. You just don't know who you're missing out on when using an agency.

whats the point in having your own HR department if you are not going to recruit your own staff? Would you buy a house that someone else has viewed for you or would you rather have a look yourself?

HR does not just do recruitment, often they do not have time to do it. Even large HR teams with dedicated recruiters still use agencies. Recruitment can be very time consuming and difficult. So they use professionals to help them.

Though I think you under the impression that agencies choose the candidates. They submit candidates that have the skills and experience the company is looking for and are interested in the job. The company then interview and choose who they want. Some companies will use more than one agency and advertise too. They can interview as many candidates as they want.

Though for some jobs there is a shortage of good candidates. Agencies often get companies approaching them saying that they have advertised themselves and have no suitable candidates to interview.

As a recruiter I never include salary as it's always negotiable and causes issues with current employees at the same time
If the ad is clear about seniority of the role and required experience I think that it is assumed there is a ballpark
I also always phone interview and talk about salary expectations so I don't waste anyone's time if we're totally off side

In some sectors it's to keep the employees in the same job from finding out the new recruit is going to be offered more than they are on.

My DH was not entirely happy with his lack of a pay rise and had asked me to have a quick look around the job sites to see if I could find a higher wage in his area of expertise.

I did find a higher paying opportunity. The advert was put up by a recruiting agency. The exact salary being offered was posted, duties that he seemed absolutely perfectly qualified for, same area as his current job so no change in travel arrangements...great I thought.

I was about to email his CV and application when I got this funny feeling.

Some of you have guessed where this is going I'm sure.

I googled some company description sentence fragments and found them in only 2 places on the entire internet...the job advert and DH's employers web site.

I'd only encouraged him to apply for his own job (more than one person doing identical jobs in his section) and his employers hold a very dim view if they find out an employee is looking for a new job.

On the upside, I did surreptitiously stir the shit a little and now DH gets the same as the new recruit who filled the roll.