About job adverts that don't mention the salary?

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Or even a ballpark... What is the actual point! I'm finding this particularly annoying as jobs in my field at different levels will mention the same skills (obviously at varying levels) BUT NO SALARY INFO! Why!?!?

It's definitely not min wage but could be anywhere from 17k-45k I'd have thought. I'm assuming it's at the lower end as its a small business. If it is then I am wasting my time applying.

I don't think it's a gender pay gap issue though, to my knowledge things have been pretty even everywhere I've worked (male dominated).

Yep. It's to keep you in the dark, pay the minimum they can get away with and maintain the gender gap.

When I rule the world I'll make two laws straight away

1. Salaries to be transparent.
2. Salaries to be set - like in the public sector. You wouldn't expect two nurses in A and E to get different amounts of money, you wouldn't expect two soldiers serving on the front line in Iraq to get different amounts of money so why on earth does the private sector think it should do this? The sooner it's outlawed the better.

I read an awesome blog about this and the particular issue of this for minorities - it's a US non-profit blog

nonprofitwithballs.com/2015/06/when-you-dont-disclose-salary-range-on-a-job-posting-a-unicorn-loses-its-wings/

Brilliant article

We would do it as we wouldn't want our competitors to know what we pay our staff and also as said upthread to see what skills set applicants have as we will pay more to get the perfect candidate.

Can I ask why you wouldn't want your competiitors to know how much you pay your staff?

They will just add a little bit more to attract candidates leading to potential inflated rates.

when I was job hunting I didn't apply for jobs without a salary indicator or I emailed co to find out. Actually it can put people off so I don't see the sense in that.

They will just add a little bit more to attract candidates leading to potential inflated rates.

AKA paying the going rate :)

Employers want the free market in theory - but not in practice.

At the average pay end this is just crap
It could be anywhere between 20 and 25 and I think it's fair to say candidates need to know, at least a range. One time I called and was only given a figure after they heard me talk through my cv. It was less than the job I was moving on from. I thanked them politely and the woman said "we'll look out for your application". So I said "I can't apply on that salary but thanks for your time" and she tried to talk me into applying! I get it if you are at least in a higher tax band or there's commission but for many jobs, it's just crazy and probably loses them good applicants.

X post with was ...spot on!

It doesn't make sense.

I want a new job. But quite frankly I don't have the time or the inclination to fill out umpteen application forms (because no where wants just a CV) only to find that the salary is less than I need.

It's worth even less of my time if I have to apply through a recruitment firm.

Of course employers want to pay as little as possible. What else is in the news today?

And the attitude expressed by some posters towards the idea of a pay cut is baffling in my opinion. Some people are happy to take a salary reduction for better hours, the ideal location, a move into a job they really want but they are only 50% qualified for.

I can see why some do it for CEO level etc, but not at lower level.

Talking to a specialist job board, I was told that job adverts paying less than 80k without the salary on them get 20% less applicants than those adverts with the salary. From 80k they both get about the same number of applications. So the companies can loose out on good candidates.

It's worth even less of my time if I have to apply through a recruitment firm.

Surely if it is through an agency you will be told the salary, and can ask questions about the role so you get a better insight. Most agencies will also help you with the cover letter/application form.

BlueSkyBurningBright:

True, but for many companies doing this might save them thousand stars of pounds per job advertised, removing potentially hundreds of thousands of pounds in cost for a small to medium business. It stacks up for them.

*thousands

I'd think it's silly for the employer too - it's going to restrict who will apply. I get daily job alerts (highly qualified professional), just to keep my eye out though I'm happy where I am. If there's an interesting looking role but no salary guide then I don't bother looking further. If there's an interesting looking role and the salary is £30k+ higher than what I'm on at that moment (that's not an unreasonable increase), then I'll investigate further.

Got annoyed recently after being approached by a headhunter (a proper one), with a senior, negotiable, flex job. Jumped through various hoops - calls, phone interview, updating CV etc... but it turned out the role was offering a max £10k higher than what I'm on currently, and less holiday. Wasn't worth the bother.

Could you contact the company / agency and let them know your salary expectations and ask them if it's worth applying?

I am a recruiter and wouldn't mind you calling / emailing to clarify at all. Some companies specifically ask us not to advertise salaries. Can cause issues for them with similar roles at different sites attracting differing salaries (in fact responsibilities / number of reports can be very different)

We don't put salaries in because we don't want staff gossiping about how much x was paid. I always ask people what range they are looking for when I shortlist though so we don't waste their time

I went for a job like this once. The salary turned out to be 16K for full-time hours (this was a few years ago but still...). It wasn't mentioned purely and deliberately because they didn't want candidates to know just what $&@? it was.

i work in recruitment and I do not think it's unreasonable to advertise a role with negotiable salary, our clients occasionally ask us to do this but only really for director level roles. There are a number of reasons, as someone mentioned previously, for confidentiality, for senior level roles where they need to benchmark the market l, it is a genuine negotiable salary not a trick to fool people into applying . Why would an employer waste their own time interviewing someone who is expecting more than they can offer, doesn't make sense? In fact I have often sadly come across candidates who lie about their current salary to achieve a better offer! It's not really that confusing as the job title and description will often be clear along with required criteria so if an applicant is seeking that level of role and have the experience the client wants they can apply, if unsure just call and ask?

Swippy, it is unclear from the advert. I also did call and ask the level of the role and they were so vague

My old company did this and it was probably the #1 source of discontent among employees. We knew full well it was because outside applicants for a job would be paid less than internal ones (they had a stronger position to negotiate from), and because there were a lot of people all at the same level but on very different salaries, because they'd been steadily reducing the salary over the years.

It was intensely annoying when I was trying to recruit- acres of CVs where applicants were pitching themselves at the wrong level because the salary wasn't there to guide them.

For me it has to have the salary included in the advert. I may well like the look of the role but if it isn't going to cover the childcare costs and travelling expenses then its not worth me applying.

At least it should show a starting point saying 'salary in excess of £30,000pa'. That way I know I'm not wasting my own time applying and anyone already employed in the company wont know how much is being offered but they will know its more than £x.

If I already work (I don't at the moment) then I may not want my current company to know I'm thinking of leaving. If I have to go to the trouble of organising a day off phone in sick then I need to know its worth the effort. Not having a clue whether they're paying £10,000 less than I need is useless to me.