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AIBU about Parental Responsibility?!

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KentMum2008 · 24/04/2017 11:11

This is a long one...
Here's the back story: I left ex 5 years ago. He was mentally, physically and financially abusive, and generally a class A dickhead. We have 2 DCs, now aged 10 and 8. He pays regular maintenance and buys things for the children (overly elaborate Christmas/birthday gifts) but shows no interest in seeing the children or in having any say in their education, welfare or general upbringing. I used to take them an hour on the train to see him every other weekend. They would see him at work for around half an hour, he gives them some pocket money and we go on our way. To me, this isn't meaningful contact, but it's all they could get because his days off are spent playing Xbox, drinking and smoking weed with his friends (they are all in their 30's and single, surprisingly)

Recently DCs have become less and less interested in going to see him, so it's now more like once a month. He has decided this is me 'refusing to allow him access' and obviously kicks up a stink about it, but still makes no attempt to come and see them.

I met a wonderful man a few years ago, we live together, we're getting married this year and in every way other than biologically, he is a parent to my DCs. He does school runs when I'm at work, helps with their homework, shows an interest in their education, health and wellbeing. Despite saying for the whole of his life that he didn't want children, he has wholeheartedly embraced the step parent role and he's bloody good at it. If I sound like I'm gushing, it's because I am. I do get a bit teary eyed sometimes when I see DP playing lego with DS or reading DDs latest science magazine with her. His parents are fantastic, they dote on DCs too, and treat them exactly the same as their biological grandchildren.

Here is my AIBU. Even once we are married, DP will have no parental rights whatsoever. I asked their dad if he would consider agreeing to a legal Step Parental responsibility order. This takes no rights away from him, and his rights as a biological parent will always trump DP's. Not that it will ever be an issue because he literally doesn't give a shit about anything. Obviously he said no, because he's an utter twat. They're HIS children, and no man will ever replace him blah blah blah. And while that is true, the point of this isn't about replacing him, it's about allowing my husband the same legal rights as me with regards to DCs upbringing. God forbid, if we were in an accident and I was unconscious, DP wouldnt be able to consent to medical treatment for them and they'd have to wait until they could get hold of their dad. Which is tricky because he NEVER answers his phone. While I accept this is an unlikely scenario, it's just an example. It also means that, if something were to happen to me, their dad could take them to live with him, and DP and the rest of our families would have no legal right to see them ever again.
So AIBU in asking him to allow DP to have PR?
Any experiences of this? Anyone been on the other end and refused PR to a step parent? I'm fairly certain that if we were to go to court about it, they would grant PR to DP once we're married without ex's consent, due to his lack of any fucking interest whatsoever. They will always act in the child's best interests and anyone with even half a brain can see what would be best for my DCs. If you were to ask them both about their family, their dad wouldn't even get a mention. They don't even speak about him or ask to see him. But I don't want it to have to come to that. It's a long and expensive process, and while it's fine as a last resort, I just don't see why it has to be that way. It's ex's last ditch attempt at trying to control our lives, and I'm not having it!

That was longer than I expected....

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user1493022461 · 25/04/2017 11:21

God forbid, if we were in an accident and I was unconscious, DP wouldnt be able to consent to medical treatment for them and they'd have to wait until they could get hold of their dad

That isn't true. In emergency situations children will be treated as the drs deem necessary, critical treatment is never withheld while seeking parental consent.

KERALA1 · 25/04/2017 12:10

mango your situation is weirdly common, have dealt with it a few times, but usually "dad" is not in contact at all so uprooting the children from their familiar home to live with an unreliable stranger in the event mum died would be unpalatable to the court anyway.

It is worth appointing DH as guardian if you died and doing a supporting letter, obviously resolving the PR issue while you both well is the best option but appreciate may not be possible.

c3pu · 25/04/2017 12:14

YANBU for wanting PR for the stepfather, if he plays an active role in the upbringing of the children and he's in closer proximity on a day to day basis then it's not a stupid idea.

My boys mum didn't particularly want me to have PR for our eldest (who isn't biologically mine) after we split... She was happy for me to have contact and look after him when she wanted to be child free though...

In the end her parenting took a steep nose dive and I took her to court, got a child arrangements order to make the resident parent, and got PR that way.

It's a requirement to attend mediation before going to court (usually more expensive than the court fee!), with any luck the mediator will tell your ex he's being a dick and make him see sense.

Ladycsparkles · 25/04/2017 12:45

I don't think YABU at all. Your DP sounds amazing tbf and it sounds like he has a great relationship with your DS.

My ex would never agree to something like this either, just out of spite. He hasn't seen DS in 18 months, and that was only one 2 hour visit- previous to that he hadn't seen him since April 2013. One maintenance payment in 7 years of £30, he then quit his job and rubbished me all over fb as a money grabber.

I hear from him sporadically, usually when his own life has hit the skids and he wants help. I have now completely washed my hands of him as I am fed up with him treating DS like a toy. Our son has additional needs and he takes it very much to heart when his dad disappears again.

I am not currently involved with anyone but if I was and it got to the marriage stage I don't doubt that I would want the same thing you do.

I would ask the ex in writing first, maybe via email if you have an address- once he's refused in writing then apply to court.

Best of luck with your wedding and fingers crossed you and DP are able to sort this :)

stripefrill · 25/04/2017 13:00

Statistically it's very unlikely there will ever be any circumstances that your DH would need PR for, especially given your boys are quite old now anyway and their views can be taken into account. DH is my son's stepdad and we've never had contact with his bio dad, but we didn't bother going for step parent PR as it would potentially have dug up a can of worms if SS got involved (ex was abusive). DS has turned 18 this year so I can breathe a sigh of relief that I've not died and DS hasn't been in any life threatening emergencies that DH couldn't consent to (although DH did take DS to A&E once and there wasn't any issue about him getting treatment, but DS was 14 at the time and conscious so able to speak for himself). Obviously it's more peace of mind to have that piece of paper, but in practice you're very unlikely to need it.

KentMum2008 · 25/04/2017 19:59

Thanks for all the wise words.
I agree it's unlikely the PR thing would ever be a major issue, but that doesn't mean it won't ever happen. I like to be prepared for all eventualities, and after the way ex has behaved today I'm not taking any risks! He hasn't paid this weeks maintenance, and his latest text outburst included him saying "I'm not signing my kids over to your latest bit of willy" Hmm
I genuinely think he isn't listening to what I'm explaining it involves! He has smoked weed more or less everyday since he was 14, he's now 34. I genuinely worry that it's affecting his mental stability, he seems to have got so much worse in the last few years. The streams of texts are so manic and disordered, I don't know that he's actually capable of rational thought any more. He's adamant he's picking the kids up at 11am on Sunday with his 'man dem' (yes he actually used those words) and he can't wait to see DP so he can 'lay him out'.
Incidentally DP is 6,5 and built like a brick shit house, but also doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body, so he won't bite.
This is all a bit of a shit pile really Confused

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Spadequeen · 25/04/2017 20:06

I can see why he's an ex!

newdaylight · 26/04/2017 00:22

Crikey

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