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AIBU to want to sue marie stopes?

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dogsdoodars · 23/04/2017 21:09

This is a bit of a long one. But basically i found out i was pregnant with baby #4 in January this year. We already have 3 under 5 but we decided we would manage, that is until i was around 8 weeks and i was suffering with severe Hyperemsis Gravidum (uncontrollable vomiting) i was so so ill and was struggling to care for our other children and even get out of bed. So we made the decision sadly to terminate the pregnancy. I was too ashamed to go to our GP so my partner phoned Marie Stopes and organised the termination. They booked me in for surgical termination on March 10th using suction under heavy sedation.
I attended the clinic at 10;30 am and was rushed in for a quick ultrasound scan to confirm i was 11+1 weeks i also had a finger prick type blood spot test to check blood type then i was asked about contraception and i decided on the IUD to be fitted at the same time . Ten minutes later i was sat in a busy waiting room with blaring loud music and tacky magazines to read which felt like i was queuing for a spray tan. Women were going in one after the other within minutes like a conveyor belt. i was then called through and told to undress and lay on the operating table. I was at this point highly distressed and crying my eyes out because of how awful it was and because i wasnt 100% sure of my decision. The doctor inserted a canula then injected a sedative in my arm before i even had chance to ask any questions or change my mind, it all went black. I then woke up to two nurses telling me it was complete and i had to walk into another busy room full of other women clearly just aborted their babies. i sat on a chair for 5 mins until i didnt feel dizzy then the nurse told me to go in the bathroom to get dressed and have a wee. another 5 mins passed and they discharged me with an antibiotic to take home. i was sobbing my eyes out in the waiting room and no one asked if i was ok or offered any counselling. I then went home to my children and partner and spend all weekend crying and in quite a lot of pain.
4 days later i was sat in my GP surgery in incredible pain and crying my eyes out. i was sent to hospital to be checked over. I ended up being kept in. They decided my coil had been inserted wrong at Marie Stopes and this had given me a severe infection in my womb so i was put on strong antibiotics then discharged several days later. i continued to deteriorate and still had very high HCG in my blood so i was readmitted and this time they scanned me to discover i had retained products in my womb and a shadow on my ovary. I was rushed to theater with a suspected Hetero topic pregnancy (ectopic as well as a normal pregnancy developing) they removed it and also cleaned out my womb. i was discharged a few days later.
My HCG continued to persist but was gradually declining. On the 12th April it was still 17.5 but they discharged me from the consultant. i also got the results back from the lab of the 'retained products' and the consultant informed me it was in fact parts of my baby still left inside me from the abortion!
. I then started to bleed on april 5th and EPU told me it was my first AF returning. it has now been 2.5 weeks and still bleeding very heavily. on friday morning i passed a large smelly piece of liver-like tissue along with strong cramps and pressure. My gp took one look and said it definitely was placenta! i am being referred for a scan on monday to check if there is anymore remaining but hes astounded that there can be any products left after 2 womb cleaning procedures.
i am distraught after this whole experience and totally regretting it. i have sleepless nights and nightmares and im incredibly anxious in general. i feel very down and low. my partner wants to sue marie stopes for how they treated me and have mentally and physically scarred me. i am 50/50 about this because a few people have said we ABU to think about making a claim.
what do people think? i know it wont probably make me feel any better but if i can stop other women going through this awful experience then thats a plus in my eyes

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dogsdoodars · 23/04/2017 21:51

Not been funny but why read a thread that has Marie Stopes in the title if youre still affected by your own experiences.
As for HG, i had been in and out of hospital weekly on fluid drips and anti sickness injections . I took three different types of anti sickness meds three times a day and still was throwing up every few mins. Please dont try make me feel even worse than i already do. I had three children already aged 9 months, 3 and 4. that in itself is difficult never mind also constantly being sick and being so exhausted i couldnt lift my head off the pillow. i fell pregnant on the pill too, before i get accused of not being careful enough.
It was an incredibly difficult decision and one i regret immensely every second of every waking day. please dont make me feel bad.

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WorraLiberty · 23/04/2017 21:52

user I'm sorry (honestly not having a go) but why would you click on the thread?

I mean if there's any chance of that happening? Thanks

JaneEyre70 · 23/04/2017 21:53

YABU yes. Any surgical procedure carries risk, and you chose to have that procedure. I think you need to see your GP and arrange some counselling.

FeedTheSharkAndItWIllBite · 23/04/2017 21:54

I don't see why you shouldn't sue them.

Talk to a lawyer to see if you have a case?

Mumgyver · 23/04/2017 21:56

Why didn't you get help for the HG?

Have you ever had HG? It can be utterly soul destroying in how relentlessly it grinds you down and a lot of people, medical professionals included, think you're making a fuss over "only" morning sickness.

FeedTheSharkAndItWIllBite · 23/04/2017 21:56

And to all the people saying money won't make it better...

I agree. But it may make dealing with some of the trauma (which can cost quite a lot...) easier.

However, before making a decision... Why not inform yourself (=go to a lawyer) to see if you even have a case? Because all surgical procedures to carry a certain risk.

If you don't have a case this whole conversation is kind of pointless anyway...

scottishdiem · 23/04/2017 21:58

I am not sure what you can actually sue on. Certainly complain do see what negligence might have taken place regarding the procedure and any infection.

If I am reading this right, if there was a secondary pregnancy that would have been problematic and affecting the first then things might have actually been a lot worse, further down the line. But I am not sure about that.

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 23/04/2017 21:58

OP Flowers

I think you need completion and an apology as they messed up terribly . I suspect that a formal complaint and understanding how this happened will help you come
To terms with it .

I do t know about sue ing them / but a formal debrief would help

How awful - I had an abortion and it was no way like you describe - awful

Flortle · 23/04/2017 22:01

You don't need to demonstrate a financial loss in clinical negligence claims. If their negligence caused you harm, whether physical or mental, that may be sufficient to bring a claim against them. It depends what the outcome would have been if they hadn't messed up, how it impacted on you, and whether their standard of care fell below that of a reasonable medical professional, amongst other things.

A letter of complaint is the first step and a solicitor can help you with that.

Legalities aside, I'm sorry you had such a thoroughly shit experience Sad

DJBaggySmalls · 23/04/2017 22:03

See a lawyer that specializes in medical negligence and find out if you have a case. Then make a decision.
There is a reason why this could have happened, but you sound very distressed, and I think you need to have some support and counselling when you discuss it.

HeteronormativeHaybales · 23/04/2017 22:10

You sound like you've had a very upsetting experience, for which I'm very sorry, and it is possible that mistakes were made in your treatment - both at MS and in hospital.

But I think your struggles with this are partly rooted in your feelings about termination in general and your termination in particular. Why were you too ashamed to go to the GP about this? Is termination shameful to you? You also seem to have found the very everyday and businesslike atmosphere in the clinic difficult. I agree that they could have asked you if you were OK, but treating women attending the clinic as if something awful and tragic were happening may well be very difficult for other women, who will possibly be having their own struggles, to cope with, so a neutral atmosphere is probably best. I noticed you found it hard to go and sit in a room with women who had 'obviously all just aborted their babies' - like you had. It seems that you didn't want to be associated with them. But you had done the same thing. (Not morally judging at all, just pointing this out).

There is nothing wrong or reprehensible about your decision to terminate. It sounds as if another baby would have been a difficult struggle even without the HG. And even if you had all the time/money/resources/health in the world, you would still have been entitled to make that decision. I would suspect that your regret, and your anger about how you were treated, is closely related to your sense of shame. I think counselling would be a good idea to help you unpick and come to terms with all this.

I'm very sorry the physical aftermath has been so hard, and you should make sure this is got to the bottom of, and you are given ABs etc (for example) if necessary. I've had 6 miscarriages incl four ERPCs and have never had a recovery like this. Don't be fobbed off. Flowers

EveningShadows · 23/04/2017 22:11

Please don't sue. I really hate the litigious society we live in now. You would just be affecting a lifeline service for women who need it.

Please complain and let those in positions of responsibility know how you felt and what you think could have been done differently.

I have had 3 D&Cs for mmc when going through IF treatment a few years ago - my first one was not a complete and I had passed some "products of conception" (awful expression but . . ) a few days later. It was deeply deeply traumatic, and haunts me still but it was just one of those things and while I did report it, I certainly didn't consider suing because of it.

I would agree with those posters who have said you need counselling - definitely. Far more productive than legal action.

I wish you well x

WayfaringStranger · 23/04/2017 22:11

dogs you don't have to explain yourself nor do you have to answer any questions. You owe no justification as to why you had a termination. I'm sorry for all you went through. Flowers

In terms of suing, I don't know enough about whether you'd get anywhere but it sounds like their bedside manner was poor and I would make a complaint about that.

OlennasWimple · 23/04/2017 22:12
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fucksakenethuns · 23/04/2017 22:14

I think aside from any legal stuff you should go to your GP and ask to be referred for counselling at the very least and if possible be treated for post traumatic stress. You have been through a terrible ordeal and need help processing this and getting back to full health. You haven't done anything wrong, I am so sorry for you and your family Flowers

buckeejit · 23/04/2017 22:15

I'm so sorry for your bad experience but I agree there's no case for seeing. Perhaps you should go for some counselling though to talk it through. Hope you're feeling better soon

Gabilan · 23/04/2017 22:21

Ask yourself what you want to achieve by suing them, and if it will achieve that. The chances are suing will prolong what you're going through because you'll have to relive it. The outcome is also uncertain and won't necessarily change anything for any women following you.

I agree with PP that a complaint, or at least feedback and investigation is probably the way to go. And yes, absolutely some sort of therapy. It sounds very traumatic and you need help. You won't get help from suing.

eyespydreams · 23/04/2017 22:25

Great post hetero

CreamCheez · 23/04/2017 22:28

I just have a question, would it be usual to fit a coil after termination? Doesn't seem to me that trauma in the area would respond well to a foreign body. Is that something that a hospital would have done? Was MS right to do that?

KC225 · 23/04/2017 22:30

OP that sounds just horrendous. I think the others who suggested counselling may be on to something.

Have you made a formal complaint? I am not sure suing them will make you feel.any better about what happened but perhaps knowing your experience would result in a change of procedure or more sensitivity would help.

Viviennemary · 23/04/2017 22:41

I'm sorry you have had such a horrific experience in the hands of this vile organisation. How can this be helping women at such an extremely difficult time. To be treated with such insensitivity and lack of respect for any human dignity. If they have been medically negligent then I think you should sue them. Why should this be tolerated.

TurnipCake · 23/04/2017 22:47

You can certainly try to sue them, but you would be unlikely to be successful, RPOC and infection are recognised complications of surgical TOP, is it really going to help you in the long run?

Has the lab report come back from the suspected heterotopic pregnancy? Did it confirm that was the case?

I'm sorry you've had such a difficult time over what sounds like a very difficult decision you had to make. Please consider seeing your GP if they're supportive to find ways they can help you process what has happened

EC22 · 23/04/2017 22:50

I agree with everything Hetero posted.

I would absolutely complain if you feel your treatment was lacking. They will reply and answer the issues you have, it may give some clarity.

I think you'll be on a hiding to nothing suing.

Gingerbreadmam · 24/04/2017 08:38

i didn't realise that dogs.

I think obviously under your circumstances where it felt like you had no other option then it does seemed to have been very insensitive and rushed.

Sadly, i know a few people who would treat it like a conveyor system and would have probably preferred it that way.

I think as others have said, suing will get you nowhere. Counselling would be a great option as it sounds like you are being.hard on yourself and there is really no need. I'm sorry you have had to go.through this Flowers

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