Smoking outside cafés?

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Took my boys out to a local country park this morning. Decided we would have lunch while we were there so got ourselves settled at an outside table at the park café. We had our dog with us (as did many other families) so could not have gone inside.

Halfway through our meal, another family sat at the neighbouring table and both adults proceeded to light up cigarettes. So, we ended up with smoke wafting across us. Both boys stopped eating pretty much immediately, and started saying they felt sick. (Yes, they are probably hypersensitive but, it was pretty grim.) I gave up on trying to convince them to finish their lunch and we left the area, as did another family who hadn't finished their meals either.

There were no ashtrays on the tables, so the café clearly don't endorse smoking there.

AIBU to think this is a) Fucking inconsiderate behaviour and b) to be amazed that it is legal to smoke round an area where people are eating, even if it is outside.

Go else where then smokers have to to acommrdate non smokers

Where? Smokers populate the pavements. How do you suggest I travel from place to place.

Nothing as selfish as people who's filthy habit impinges on other people.

*whose

Oh wow, this is still going?

Well I'm not keen on children due to noise pollution, fat people on public transport as they impinge on my personal space, and don't get me started on kids on scooters in the fucking supermarket. I also really dislike people chewing when I'm smoking.....

I hate dogs and other people's smoke

Plus exhaust fumes...they really can't be good for all the asthma sufferers.

Gowgirl, I know you're mostly taking the piss with that list, but you can't compare any of that to a smoker that is outside in a place where people are eating/drinking and where there are pregnant women and children.

I always make sure I smoke a lot when drinking in a pub garden. I often have the dog with me too.

I find it does a splendid job of deterring precious parents with snowflake children from sitting anywhere near me. If it fails, I develop a form of Tourette's that makes me say "fuck" every other word.

Out of curiosity, are all these people only affected by cigarette smoke, or do barbecues and bonfires upset them too?

Got to wonder how they cope fireworks night, or maybe they stay in

A pp spoke about her dd having asthma. Since when does that make their child a snowflake. Fuck off.

It's polite etiquette for a neighbour to inform you of when they're having a bonfire or fireworks. Still, not the same as or as frequent as smoking in public.

I know a few people who smoke that have asthma. Insanity.

It's polite etiquette for a neighbour to inform you of when they're having a bonfire or fireworks.

Seriously phyllis?

Do you live in Pontypandy?

Oh my Phyllis if my neighbours came round to say they were having fireworks id think they were crazy. I already said id give up my seat on the tube, but my fags never!
Pregnancy is a condition not an Illness and as an adult you have choices were to go, where to sit etc that a small child does not. Saying that I live pretty centrally so a bit of ciggie smoke gets lost in the general fumes.

Cowgirl, kid yourself about fags all you like.

I wouldn't move raise my child in Pontypandy. Too many accident and emergencies happen in such a small place for that population. I wouldn't want my child to fall down a well.

Fireworks affect pets and keep young children up. Bonfires can make your clothes smell on the washing line and make your house smell if you have the windows open.

I find it does a splendid job of deterring precious parents with snowflake children from sitting anywhere near me. If it fails, I develop a form of Tourette's that makes me say "fuck" every other word

Really? Wanting my child to be able to breathe adequately because her asthma causes issues is her being a snowflake?

Oh and you can spout swear words all you want. She's a massive rugby fan. She would simply snort at each word and mutter "industrial language" and think you were a bit silly 😂

Out of curiosity, are all these people only affected by cigarette smoke, or do barbecues and bonfires upset them too?

That comment just guest show how little you understand about how disgusting cigarette smoke smells to non smokers. It is not at all comparable to wood smoke or barbecues. They can actually smell quite pleasant at times, obviously in the case of bonfires it depends entirely on what's being burned, but it's not always awful. Some things smell pleasant when burning, some don't, but bonfires and barbecues are things we might be only subjected to a handful of times in a year, not daily like cigarettes. I can't remember the last time someone lit a bonfire next to my table while I was eating.

Mankind has sat round campfires for thousands of years. Woodsmoke is not the issue, its cured tobacco and its 4000 chemicals including arsenic and cyanide that's the issue. It catches in the throat like nothing else if you a non-smoker and the resultant irritation can cause a cough that lasts for days. Thanks guys

That and you can sniff the fumes gamer grin

Told you man, like the fucking bisto kid me when someone's smoking

Fireworks affect pets and keep young children up. Bonfires can make your clothes smell on the washing line and make your house smell if you have the windows open.

Yes..my neighbour seems to have a bonfire every week, all year round for some reason

We don't get warning though so we never hang clothes on the line as you can guarantee the day we do will be the day of the fire. Almost like its deliberate sometimes..

I wish I got advance notice of fireworks too. That would be useful. Instead we just get cunts randomly setting them off at 11pm and that and scaring the shit out of the kids/cat.

Sorry, I have nothing to add to this thread other than JaniceFromAccounts this is the second time today, on different threads, your humour has cracked me up!

Exactly browndoobie it's that very acrid, harsh, toxic and poisonous sort of smell that is specific to cigarette smoke that is so unpleasant. It clings to your clothes and hair, it stings your eyes, catches in your throat, it really ruins the experience of eating, and makes the environment unpleasant and uncomfortable for those who don't choose to be subjected to it, but are unlucky enough to be in its direct path.

Talking about bonfires and barbecues is a straw man argument, we aren't around those things day in day out, they don't bother you at all tims of day on every street at every bus shelter, outside every tube station and office and hospital, in every pavement cafe , plus they serve a useful purpose and the smoke is a necessary and unavoidable byproduct.

It's not just about the dangers of passive smoking, pregnant women, asthma blah blah, it's about one minority group of people repeatedly doing something anti social that spoils the immediate environment for everyone else. It's selfishness and entitlement and a denial/refusal to accept that people are really as bothered by it as they say they are.

But that's drug and alcohol addiction for you I suppose. It turns you into a self absorbed knobber.

Since it's a free-for-all now, heavy perfume turns me green.

makeourfuture I'm with you, I'd rather someone got out a huge pipe and puffed away on some particularly rank tobacco than have to put up with wafts of over-powering perfume.

Heavy perfume also turns me green but it's not toxic. To equate the two is stupid.