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AIBU to loathe the Royal Family

401 replies

InWinoVeritas · 21/04/2017 18:29

The way the media is so gushing about everything Wills, Kate and Harry do, just been watching the evening news, there is a story about Wills and Kate doing a radio broadcast, makes me want to vomit..
And the issues about mental health - really? Do we need Royal 'endorsement' just to get more funding?

OP posts:
Chavelita · 23/04/2017 09:34

Opinions can be ill-informed, though, which means they carry little weight in a reasoned debate.

NannyOggsKnickers · 23/04/2017 09:35

Funnily enough song I am a labour voter and have socialist leanings. But I don't consider the royals my enemy. Nor do I think they deserve to be called inbred. I think you find that will isn't related to Kate, neither was Charles to Diana nor was King George to the Queen Mother. The fact that Prince Philip is the Queen's second cousin via the line of their great, great grandmother is pretty tenuous for inbreeding.

NannyOggsKnickers · 23/04/2017 09:37

Chav You mean opinions based on hearsay, gossip, fake news, prejudice and jealousy?

AwaywiththePixies27 · 23/04/2017 09:37

Opinions are like arseholes. Everybody has one. Grin

BarbarianMum · 23/04/2017 09:41

That doesn't mean they're not a useful thing to have though Pixies Wink

AwaywiththePixies27 · 23/04/2017 09:46

True BarbarianMum! Grin

Although my DM would disagree, she says I'm full of them. Halo

Nessie71 · 23/04/2017 09:46

Good for them! Would like to see a slimmed down royal family just Charles,Camilla,William and family and then Harry and family if he has one! Get rid of Andrew,Ann,Edward and the rest.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 23/04/2017 09:47

Opinions that is. Not arseholes. That'd be problematic.

Livelovebehappy · 23/04/2017 09:56

Who decides if an opinion is 'ill informed' Chav? Presumably by the person who disagrees? no opinion is right or wrong - it's just a belief held by an individual which they feel is the right opinion for them. I might not agree with someone, but I respect their right to hold an opinion different to mine.

Chavelita · 23/04/2017 10:17

In what way is my opinion that the monarchy is archaic and institutionalises inequality based on 'gossip, hearsay, fake news, prejudice and jealousy?' Hmm

The case against hereditary appointments in public life is straightforward. They are incompatible with democracy and meritocracy which, while not perfect, are the least bad ways to run countries.

I have little or no interest in the individual people filling the roles -- the problem with a hereditary monarchy is that by definition, you never know who you're going to get. Every family produces potentially mad or bad heirs. What then? There was, briefly, a British monarch with strong Nazi sympathies, an open racist who said that Aboriginal Australians were 'the closest thing to monkeys' he'd ever seen when on an Empire tour. If it wasn't for Wallis Simpson, he'd have been king for WWII.

Imagine the US changing their system, announcing Trump will stay in power until he dies, after which the crown passes to his son, King Donald junior? Would Americans stand for it? Or it's different because the British monarch has such limited powers? But how well-informed are people on the Queen's theoretically significant powers to dissolve parliament, declare war etc? Will they place the same unearned trust in King Charles, who, unlike his mother, makes his politics well known and has no issue with bending ministerial ears about them?

It appears to me that a large percentage of UK monarchists are so because they have a sentimental attachment to the queen which is unlikely to survive into Charles' reign, especially if he's long-lived enough to put the frocks-and-crowns excitement of William and Catherine's coronation on the long finger.

Chavelita · 23/04/2017 10:21

live, anyone can decide whether an opinion is 'ill-informed' -- is it backed up with factual evidence from credible sources, or is it the result of sloppy thinking, sentiment, bias, or tabloid journalism?

Hotheadwheresthecoldbath · 23/04/2017 10:27

If we abolished the monarch would they get back all the crown property which was initially exchanged for the royal grants that the monarchy now get.The crown property alone brings in millions and even without that they own a lot of land and properties in their own right so would still be super wealthy with out the hassles of the job they are forced to do.
I wonder how your life would be viewed OP if we could scrutinize it for 24 hrs a day for the rest of your life.

Shurleyshummishtake · 23/04/2017 10:33

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HotChoc10 · 23/04/2017 10:35

Does their charity actually provide any mental health services? Or is it just about talking?

Which is still a good thing but the amount of money raised could be much better used to help people access counselling or support.

Hotheadwheresthecoldbath · 23/04/2017 10:45

Talking about metal health and being open about and so breaking down barriers is as important as funding for treatment.All the treatment can be undermined by ignorance from managers,work colleagues,family.

shortsaint · 23/04/2017 10:56

They're in a no-win situation. Wouldn't swap with them in a million years, for all their privilege. But they're making the best of it.

I'm not particularly royalist but I like that we at least have a bit of pomp and ceremony and history in this country - imagine if we didn't?

I think the younger generation are seeing it as a PR job for the country - and if they raise awareness of issues, so be it.

However, for some irrational reason I absolutely loathe Beatrice & Eugenie - pur-lease, marry them off & put 'em out to pasture!

HotChoc10 · 23/04/2017 10:57

I agree but they must have made a ton of money by being the marathon's charity of the year, it would be a shame if none of it went to helping people access treatment.

FreeNiki · 23/04/2017 11:00

Well when they lost their mother they werent left with a father who struggled to care for them whilst balancing working full time work and struggling to pay a mortgage.

They continued in their privileged lives, in their expensive schools being waited on hand and foot.

Maybe that's why it affected them so bad, never known a days hardship in their lives.

Mollylovehart · 23/04/2017 11:04

I think they seem like really nice genuine people!
It's nice they are being a bit more 'human' than the older generation!

derxa · 23/04/2017 11:09

I wonder how your life would be viewed OP if we could scrutinize it for 24 hrs a day for the rest of your life. Exactly.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 23/04/2017 11:18

Hotchoc10.

No I think it does a bit more than just talking.

www.headstogether.org.uk/about-heads-together/

Dragongirl10 · 23/04/2017 11:19

You sound really unpleasant.

They're people, just like anybody else.

Loathing someone you've never even met, who has not actually committed genocide or something, says a lot more about you than about them.

THIS TOTALLY....OP and all the nasty people on this thread why don't you save your vitriol for people who have actually done something wrong...criminal, peodophiles, IS supporters....have you no idea how bitter you sound because materially they have more than the rest of us?

Truly sad to hear

AwaywiththePixies27 · 23/04/2017 11:21

never known a days hardship in their lives.

Yeah I'm sure Harry was sunning it up whilst his mates fought on the frontline alongside him. Confused

SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 23/04/2017 11:21

The 'end the stigma' business is irritating, and obviously a cynical response to the negative coverage of WIlliam on holiday (insofar as his entire life isn't a holiday...)

The thing is, whoever would have thought it wasn't terribly sad to lose your mother at such a young age? I'm no fan of the royals, but it was clearly horrific for them to have to walk through London behind their mother's coffin - of course it was.

That's not a mental health issue, though. I really can't see that the idea of not having a stiff upper lip is of much use to an ordinary kid who loses his/her mother. If was an issue for them, then that's perhaps a problem for the royal family and Eton to have a think about - it's not wildly relatable for anyone else, and the idea that it's terribly brave or controversial to say both boys were sad to lose their mother and are still grieving is just a bit silly.

We're mainly invited to get excited at anything they do that is like a normal person - feeling sad, driving a car, watching Peppa Pig with kids. I find it insultingly patronizing how this is intended to be endearing and persuade us they're amazing and worth the money!

Nessie71 · 23/04/2017 11:23

So privileged people dont grieve like us less privileged! What planet do you live on they are human with emotions too!

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