Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

Clare's Law application

90 replies

CosmoKlit · 15/04/2017 10:24

Would you do it if you found out someone you were dating had lied about their past (small lie), and been removed from the GMC register potentially (as in complete erasure and there is no longer any record of them at all)? Of course it's possible they were never on it in the first place.

Can't decide if I am being batshit crazy, I should just walk away for even thinking this, or I should make the application?

OP posts:
Ceto · 15/04/2017 12:10

According to the published information about the register, it only relates to licensed practitioners. Therefore if he's retired and not bothered to keep his licence going he wouldn't be on the register and he wouldn't be lying to you.

bugattiveyron · 15/04/2017 12:13

Run. Quickly. Don't look back.

FurryLittleTwerp · 15/04/2017 12:15

I wonder if he stopped practising as a doctor before he was fully registered.

New doctors have Provisional Registration with the GMC for the first twelve months after medical school, before being given full registration. I don't think he's be on the list if that were the case.

BBCNewsRave · 15/04/2017 12:26

Can you ask him more about it, but casually? Does he talk about it much?

AverysillyoldHector · 15/04/2017 12:42

According to the published information about the register, it only relates to licensed practitioners. Therefore if he's retired and not bothered to keep his licence going he wouldn't be on the register and he wouldn't be lying to you.

I dont thing that's the case. The register shows information on anyone who is/has been registered with the GMC, irrespective of whether they also have a licence to practise.

Monsterpage · 15/04/2017 12:43

What others have said. Even if your licence to practice medicine is removed you are still on the GMC register. He may not have got as far as having to apply.
Instead of creating scenarios in your head just ask him and if you have questions just ask him.

SovietKitsch · 15/04/2017 13:32

Could have lied about his name? That would be a reason you can't find him.

Original poster
CosmoKlit · 15/04/2017 14:30

You absolutely can be erased from the GMC register. One example below with the judgement of why it happened. I have casually asked if he's ever been known by another name.

If you don't have a license you are still on the register just says not "Registered without a licence to practise" or "Not Registered - Administrative Reason" or "Not Registered - Having relinquished registration".

Example of erasure:

Erasure
23. The tribunal has noted paragraph 102 of the Sanctions Guidance, which states that:
“Erasure may be appropriate even where the doctor does not present a risk to patient safety, but where this action is necessary to maintain public confidence in the profession. For example, if a doctor has shown a blatant disregard for the safeguards designed to protect members of the public and maintain high standards within the profession that is incompatible with continued registration as a doctor.”
24. It has also noted paragraph 103 that states that erasure may well be
appropriate when the behaviour involves any of the following factors:

“a A particularly serious departure from the principles set out in Good
medical practice where the behaviour is fundamentally incompatible with being a doctor.
b A deliberate or reckless disregard for the principles set out in Good
medical practice…

d Abuse of position/trust (see Good medical practice, paragraph 65: ‘You must make sure that your conduct justifies your patients’ trust in you and the public’s trust in the profession’).
…
g Offences involving violence.
…
j Persistent lack of insight into the seriousness of their actions or the
consequences.”

  1. In the light of all the evidence presented to it, the tribunal has concluded that each of the factors set out above is present in Dr XX’s case. In addition, the tribunal found it disturbing that Dr XX has done serious and deliberate harm to others, even though it was outside the context of medical practice.

In all the circumstances, the tribunal has determined to direct that Dr XX’s name be erased from the Medical Register, as being the only proportionate sanction.

OP posts:
CarSeeker · 15/04/2017 14:38

Gosh, OP - in my example, the GP who still appears after being struck off is a convicted paedophile: so if your boyfriend has been erased as per your example of damaging public confidence it must be a horrendous crime.

Even if not, the fact you're feeling the need to check his story in the first place is a bad sign. Life's too short - you don't trust him (clearly very sensibly) : get rid of him.

yousignup · 15/04/2017 14:38

It's very very unlikely this is the person I know, but is this man involved in health care now at a lower level but says he was a doctor before?

CountessOfStrathearn · 15/04/2017 14:45

"You absolutely can be erased from the GMC register."

That doesn't mean your name disappears from the online/physical register. It means that you are no longer allowed to practise medicine.

If his name isn't there, he has never been registered as a doctor.

I'm a doctor and registered. Sadly there are 3 people amongst my acquaintance who, because of serious crimes, one of whom is in prison for 20+ years, have been erased from the register, but they are still "on" the register when you search for them.

FelicityBennett · 15/04/2017 14:51

Agree with above , if this person was ever a fully registered doctor then he would be on the register. After retirement, erasure or voluntarily relinquishing license you remain on the register but with explanation beside it i.e.
John bloggs - not registered - erased due to being a duck .
It may be that he was a medical student , or only registered as provosional and stopped before that.

CountessOfStrathearn · 15/04/2017 14:52

To be fair, looking again, if he wasn't registered at October 2005 when they put it all online (previously they published a big book of all of our names and address), he might not be on it.

A phone call to the GMC would sort it out though.

Original poster
CosmoKlit · 15/04/2017 14:59

Ok, so I just checked the rapist I knew about (convicted, in prison and GMC tribunal done) and whilst his name disappeared for a while (several weeks; I checked several times during this period) it does now say "Not Registered - Erased after Fitness to Practise panel hearing". The MTPS tribunal from this is the partially quoted one above.

He was definitely practicing, he would have had to complete F1 and F2 to practice where he said he was practicing (specialist practice in Emergency Medicine).

So it's a LTB due to massive lie. Buggery chops.

OP posts:
Original poster
CosmoKlit · 15/04/2017 15:01

Thanks everyone - glad i didn't walk into the police station and make a Clare's Law application - I'd have looked a right tool.

OP posts:
CountessOfStrathearn · 15/04/2017 15:02

Yep, if he was registered after 2005, he'd definitely be on there. If he's not (and you've checked spelling etc), then, yes, he's definitely lying.

Sorry. Flowers

Sunnie1984 · 15/04/2017 15:08

If you can't find him on the register then he has never practiced medicine in the uk - at least not under the name you know him as.

F1 and F2 positions require being on the medical register.

So either he used another name or worked outside the uk.

Or he has lied and is not a doctor.

yousignup · 15/04/2017 15:10

That is the speciality the man I know is practising. He has told several people he was a doctor. Is his first initial M?

AllThatIsGoldDoesNotGlitter · 15/04/2017 15:16

F1 doctors do appear on the register - the entry just notes they only have provisional registration.

When did he say he was practising, OP? If he stopped work before the register was put online (in 2005, I think, as Countess said) then it's possible he might not appear online, but he'd appear in the printed register the GMC used to produce.

There are some glitches with the online register - e.g. it says all GPs who became GPs before 2006 joined the GP register in 2006. (I think DP likes this - makes him look younger! Wink)

Crickeycrumbsblimey · 15/04/2017 15:21

Name change is what strikes me (or lying *^!%). Have you seen his passport or driving licence?

I assume you know his birthday? You could try one of the ancestry/find my past websites and see if there is anyone if that name with the right birth details? Assuming his name isn't Ben Smith or something!

Original poster
CosmoKlit · 15/04/2017 15:26

He's lying. He's now trying to backtrack, change what he said, make excuses, throwing up different definitions - telling me that he knows people high up who can "prove it". And I am the liar. Everyone who has told me this is lying

Sigh. Thanks everyone.

OP posts:
SovietKitsch · 15/04/2017 15:31

Sorry Cosmo at least you know now and can walk away.

BestMammyEver · 15/04/2017 15:36

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

Gingernaut · 15/04/2017 17:22

No one can be completely 'erased'.

The register will always have your name and the reason why the doctor is not practicing.

This is, in part, to prevent Walter Mitty types claiming to have a career in medicine but claim to have been 'struck off' when someone searches against their name.

CountessOfStrathearn · 15/04/2017 18:41

Even when you are dead, you remain on there. When the Registrar is informed of a doctor's death, I believe they inform the GMC to prevent the name being used.

Swipe left for the next trending thread