To find the language around the American bombings disgusting?

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Trump isn't actually alone in this, but his words are 'the mother of all bombs' and that he is so proud of the military for what they did.

This is vile, no? Whatever your beliefs around whether they should have taken action, it is still a sad, awful thing to kill dozens of people, no? This language sounds celebratory and totally minimising the cost to life, peace etc.

Agree with MovingtoParadise.

It may turn out that dropping this bomb was the right thing to do. But who reallytrusts Trump to carefully consider all angles and take a measured decision based on known facts? If this turns out to be a 'good thing' many people will suspwct its only by chance. If the West is at war then surely people need a war leader they can trust.

Don't you remember "Shock and Awe" screened around the world when we and the US were bombing Iraq?

'All we need is for North Korea to join in.'

North Korea hasn't got missions that would reach that far.

The 'mother of all bombs' was called that during the Obama presidency too. The name is not a Trumpism.

And the US air strikes that went on under Obama killed civilians and destroyed things other than their targets too. It was also overkill, just a different delivery means.

Lots of confirmation bias on this thread. Trump isn't doing anything different to any other who is head of state when bombing (by raid or by missile) occurs.

From what I read this morning it seems that he has given the military the authority to basically do what needs to be done. It read as though he wasn't involved in decision making, he had simply said, for example, 'take ISIS out' and was happy to leave the military to do whatever they needed to do to complete the task.

mpsw was President Obama also regularly tweeting in a goady fashion while he was in office?

Im no Trump fan but whilst ISIS remains the threat they do this is necessary. I don't think it's vile at all, I reserve that for the murderous acts against innocent people that ISIS are responsible for.

I meant to refer to his actions (in bombing) when saying he was doing the same things, not his speeches or the type of media on which they are broadcast.

Apologies for lack of clarity.

The thing is ISIS are not operating in a vacuum, we know there are powerful governments helping to fund them, they are not a pocket or lunatics who can be wiped about and harmony will then prevail.

Bombing and killing just fuels hatred and from the ashes up steps another generation of people who hate the West and want to kill and maim. It's so depressing and I don't think there is a solution aside from changing people's mindset.

Engage with the source. Saudi has no sanctions, bans, diplomatic wrist slapping. No prizes for guessing why.

Would that we had the same pride in ours.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!
What does him dropping bombs in some foreign land, without showing us any proof of the crimes of those killed HENCE MAKING IT EXTRAJUDICIAL KILLING ESSENTIALLY, got to do with him respecting the military?
Are you this stupid all the time or have just been spending too much time watching his videos, making this a new development?

Not that it isn't a dreadful phrase but MOAB was coined after Saddam Hussein used 'mother of all battles' in the early 90s.

Sadly the US military embraced the language and it has stuck.

Part of deciding to fight in a war means that you might be injured or killed. Those killed in the MOAB strike chose to fight

in their own country....

I actually said Trump isn't alone in his language and I didn't say I agreed or disagreed with the action. The name is inappropriate and is part of an unpleasant rhetoric that echoes winning and losing, domination, gloating and goading as someone said earlier. It's vile.

scary
It's you again. At it.
You say,
We are at war with Daesh.
Sorry to interrupt the lovely dream of yours but I would like to correct that for you:
we made Daesh. And supplied weapons to Daesh. Now we are at war with Daesh.
There you go.

What do you do then?
Use diplomacy? Talk Isis through their issues and get them to promise to play nice? Prop up an alternative regime (as we have with Assad and sadden and colonel gaddafi) because that always goes so well.

Agree a caliphate and subject Syrian people to radical Islam? I don't know about this one - pragmatically it might be the best option. Saudi and Iran seem relatively stable under these conditions.

Or withdraw and let Russia and Saudi get on with it?

It's not as simple as 'bombs are bad'

Its just another reason to distrust the man. If his tweets are so ill judged and/or shitstirring why are we supposed to believe his actions don't come from the same thought processes.
Love or loathe Obama, no one was fretting about ww3 or nukes under his watch.

scaryteacher
Detritus Not the wrong end of the stick at all. I'm an HM Forces daughter, wife, sister, daughter in law and aunt, and I teach.

As someone who is close to the forces you should known full well that the people in power consider this a game.
Trump won't get hurt, at the first sign of anyone getting close he will be jetted off to a bunker somewhere with the rest of those in charge whilst the rest of us are left to pick up the pieces.

I hate the American rhetoric of war dressed up in marketing slogans.

Team America: World Police is starting to look like a premonition rather than satire.

bogqueem
You stop invading foreign countries on the pretext of helping them from the regimes we installed over them for exactly this purpose.
Remember Saddam in Iraq? Remember Zia in Pakistan?
Stop the fucking meddling in these countries.
The largest and most prestigious school near me has just announced they wouldn't have funds to keep running in near further as their outgoings will exceed what they get from government.
I would much rather my money is spent on this than making mother of all bombs and using it to evaporate an unifentified number of people in an unidentiable region for undisclosed reasons with no end of the consequent terrorism in sight.
We are the terrorists. When will you realise this?

I'm an HM Forces daughter, wife, sister, daughter in law and aunt, and I teach.

You are disgracing the people you are related to, by taking their blood so lightly, not to mention the blood of all those killed in the ground by the action of your relatives on the command of politicians as cool as Trump.

"ANY military option should be taken sombrely, with measured tones, seeking and offering talks at all times, with respect even for your evil enemy. To be somber is not weakness. To be measured is strong."

THIS.

"You stop invading foreign countries on the pretext of helping them from the regimes we installed over them for exactly this purpose."

According to the BBC, in the case of the MOAB, it wasn't an invasion. The action was done in full consultation with the Afghan government.

The state governor said it happened on an area where (mainly non-Afghani) IS fighters had driven away the locals.

Reminded me of this:

meditrina
And that's what you got from my post?

We are the terrorists. When will you realise this

Well while we are all beating ourselves with sticks over the dreadful harm we have done to the ME - what do you think will make things safer?

You can just bring up past misadventures, war crimes and weaknesses til the cows come home frankly. But that doesn't help the here and now.

You seem to advocate withdrawal from international foreign affairs and leaving Assad to get on with it with the Russians and Saudis. Fair play - it could work.