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Trump (cont): Nothing to see here, nope not a Russian in sight

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CaveMum · 13/04/2017 21:12

Sorry for the rubbish title but I couldn't see a new thread!

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cozietoesie · 17/04/2017 23:00

Kiefer Sutherland aka Man of Inner Strength, nearly hasn't made it though.

Roussette · 17/04/2017 23:37

The pressure is on...

www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/10156466179441509/

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 17/04/2017 23:47

Good link, Roussette. I hope the mounting public disquiet will move senators and representatives to act.

cozietoesie · 18/04/2017 00:02

Indeed.

SenecaFalls · 18/04/2017 00:38

What gets me about that line of succession posted up-thread is that nearly all of them (Ryan and Pence excepted, if I read right) are political appointments made by Trump since his election, not elected representatives. How can that be right? Those people have no accountability to the US electorate. I ask again: how can that be right? Seems like a glaring oversight in the constitution/US political set-up.

The vice-president, who is always chosen by the presidential candidate, is the only one of those elected by the entire country. The Speaker and President Pro Tempore represent their districts and are elected to those positions by their colleagues in Congress. To have another elected representative in the line would just mean another regional representative. The cabinet is part of the Executive Branch so it's logical to go to them next.

It's a very unlikely scenario, and in the entire US history, it has never been necessary to go beyond the vice-president. And one of those was appointed, not elected (Gerald Ford).

7Days · 18/04/2017 00:55

I just cant get over how much of a dick he is. Dicing with actual nuclear war just to further his own interests. This sounds stupid coming after all the well informed thoughtful posts. But - what a fuckin dick. Its peoples lives. Its our planet our air our water our soil. How dare he?
I have had a drink. But what I say is valud.

cozietoesie · 18/04/2017 00:56

I'm seriously considering having something to drink as well.

7Days · 18/04/2017 01:07

Well if you do enable your spellcheck. I didn't and it makes me seem worse. Sad
It's the fuckin arrogance of it. What am I trying to say. Dismissal of ordinary people. I wouldn't even step on a worm by accident without being sorry. He thinks ordinary people are less than worms.
Years ago I read a radical feminist text by Mary Daly. There was a concept in her book called biocide. Wanting to destroy any form of life. A gleefulness in it. I cant really remember her argument but the idea keeps coming back to me lately.

cozietoesie · 18/04/2017 01:10

Ha! My autocorrect has a mind of its own at times. Wink

Go to bed. There's nothing you'll achieve by staying up.

TheClaws · 18/04/2017 03:04

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2hrs

See you tomorrow Wisconsin!

'Trump spurs small business optimism in Milwaukee area'

"Trump, with his populist rhetoric, rapid-fire tweeting and occasional statements that are demonstrably false, isn’t exactly a standard-issue Republican..."

TheClaws · 18/04/2017 03:13

Trump tweeted the above article I think without actually reading it in its entirety. It isn't against Trump, but it is cautious, and some of the language reflects that. It is unfortunate that the tweet grabbed that particular quote from the article. Funny though!

CaveMum · 18/04/2017 05:10

Another zinger from The Daily Show:
twitter.com/thedailyshow/status/854137429447462912

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/04/2017 06:37

@MelissaJPeltier
Sometimes Breaking News comes at exactly the perfect moment:

Trump (cont): Nothing to see here, nope not a Russian in sight
Lweji · 18/04/2017 06:58

His link is very accurate regarding his statements.

He gloats of his approval rate reaching 50 % (Rasmussen). Well, the same poll gives his disapproval rate at also 50 %. And that's his most favourable poll.

How did other presidents compare?

Obama 65 % vs only 25 % disapproval.
The lowest approval and highest disapproval had been by Clinton (55 % and 37 %).

So, his approval ratings are, in his words, SAD.

He (his staff) didn't post a lie, but it isn't true either. Lying by omission is also a sin.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/04/2017 06:59

justin kanew‏ @justin_kanew
This @grantstern piece on how up to his eyeballs Giuliani is in #TrumpRussia is a don't-miss:
thesternfacts.com/the-trump-russia-dossier-includes-rudy-giulianis-clients-alfa-bank-rosneft-and-qatar-1353876e789e

Trump (cont): Nothing to see here, nope not a Russian in sight
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/04/2017 07:01

Ana Marie Cox‏ @anamariecox
Guys. Guys. I don’t think Trump knows who’s the leader of North Korea.
t.co/Gm1o6xV4AD

Trump (cont): Nothing to see here, nope not a Russian in sight
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/04/2017 07:02

Scott Dworkin‏ @funder
Trump has deep ties to organized crime — federal investigators know it, and the public is catching up #trumprussia

t.co/LMSZktMafb

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 18/04/2017 07:03

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump

With eleven Republican candidates running in Georgia (on Tuesday) for Congress, a runoff will be a win. Vote "R" for lower taxes & safety!
3:18 am · 18 Apr 2017

Lweji · 18/04/2017 07:03

Daily Show Grin

Trump (cont): Nothing to see here, nope not a Russian in sight
Lweji · 18/04/2017 07:10

I don’t think Trump knows who’s the leader of North Korea.

That was probably not included in the 10 min explanation Mr Xi gave him.

But, then, he didn't know which country he had just bombed. Iraq? Syria? Maybe Iran? We'll see.

Funny he would say he doesn't telegraph(?) his moves, yet, he did warn Russia of the air field bombing.

PerkingFaintly · 18/04/2017 07:13

Here's that Twitter thread linked by Pain above mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/854064635326201856

(THREAD) Erik Prince, a top Trump adviser, used Russian active measures on U.S. voters before Election Day. Read on.
Weinergate - NYPD Forces FBI Comey to Open Clinton Investigation - Breitbart Eric Prince Interview

9:10 pm · 17 Apr 2017

(1) The "new" Clinton emails the FBI found on Anthony Weiner's computer in early October 2016 were all duplicates. They held no new info.

(2) In the first week of October, Comey asked the FBI field office in New York, full of Trump allies, to confirm the emails were duplicates.

(3) Instead, the Trump allies in the New York field office did nothing but collect useless "meta-data" on the emails for almost all October.

(4) They could have issued subpoenas to see the full emails. They didn't. They could have asked Huma or Weiner for permission. They didn't.

(5) The result was that, when Trump's allies in the New York field office briefed Comey on the emails in late October, they had no updates.

(6) What did start happening around that time is that Rudy Giuliani started going on TV teasing an October Surprise that would sink Clinton.

(7) Giuliani made clear he was getting information from active FBI agents in the New York field office incensed with both Comey and Clinton.

(8) On October 27, Comey realized he'd been had: Team Trump was going to leak disinformation about the content of the "new" Clinton emails.

(9) He saw that his field office's foot-dragging on confirming the emails as duplicates was designed to preserve them as a campaign issue.

(10) The NYT reports Comey felt forced to write Congress because disinformation about the emails was "sure to leak."
Justice Dept. Strongly Discouraged Comey on Move in Clinton Email Case
www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/us/politics/comey-clinton-email-justice.html?_r=2&utm_source=huffingtonpost.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pubexchange_article

(11) Comey was right. On November 4, Erik Prince began feeding Russian disinfo about the emails to U.S. media (see audio atop this thread).

(12) That disinfo, initiated/echoed by Russian bots on social media, claimed the emails revealed hard evidence of numerous serious crimes.

(13) Prince, who did have sources in the NYPD feeding him info, pretended that those sources were the origin of his Russia "deza" (disinfo).

(14) Prince and Giuliani assumed Trump allies' foot-dragging at the FBI meant Comey couldn't confirm the emails as duplicates pre-election.

(15) But Comey managed to conduct in under 10 days the investigation into the emails he thought his New York agents were doing in October.

(16) So Comey wrote Congress on October 28 to block Trump's domestic disinfo campaign, then proved the emails were duplicates by November 5.

(17) Unfortunately, in the well over a week Comey was doing an investigation that should have happened in October, millions voted early.

(18) Prince and Giuliani were both rewarded by Trump post-election—directly as well as indirectly—suggesting Trump approved the conspiracy.

(19) Numerous post-election analyses found that the "Comey Letter"—forced by a Trump campaign disinfo conspiracy—won the election for Trump.

(20) Media must investigate the extent to which Prince repeated on Bannon's Breitbart Radio accusations that had emanated from Russian bots.

(21) They must also investigate NYPD leaks to Prince, FBI leaks to Giuliani, Trump's authorization of Prince disinfo, Giuliani's "surprise."

(22) The investigation into Trump, Bannon, Prince, and Giualiani "disinfo" activities pre-election is part of the #Russiagate investigation.

(23) Giuliani's remarks on Fox News and on radio are public record; so are the activities of suspected Russian bots; so is Prince's disinfo.

(24) Trump declared Giuliani would not be in his administration at the same time an FBI investigation into pre-election leaks was announced.

(25) Trump gave Prince's sister, Betsy DeVos, the most controversial Cabinet nomination of his presidency. He made Prince a shadow adviser.

(26) Giuliani was ultimately given a strange, ill-defined "cybersecurity" position with the government despite a minimal background in this.

(27) All of the above is public record. It suggests Trump was part of a conspiracy to steal the U.S. election with Russian "deza" (disinfo).

(28) Whatever you think of Clinton's private email server, after the FBI declined to prosecute, any lying about Weiner's PC was corrupt.

(29) There are many reasons HRC did poorly in the Electoral College. But the data reveal that without the "Comey Letter" she would have won.

(29) Before the election, a Politico poll showed that the letter made 33% of voters less likely to vote for Clinton.
Bigger Than Watergate? Legitimate Concerns That Anti-Clinton Faction Within FBI May Have Conspired To Hand Election To Trump
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bigger-than-watergate-concerns-grow-that-anti-clinton_us_5850bb12e4b0b662c2fddebc

(30) So while it's true Clinton ran a poor campaign, it's also true Giuliani and Prince won the election for Trump.
Was Rudy Giuliani At The Center Of An FBI-Trump Campaign Conspiracy To Steal The Election?
www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/was-rudy-giuliani-at-the-center-of-an-fbi-trump-campaign_us_585ad14ce4b014e7c72ed993

(31) Giuliani would be easy to roll; he admitted live on TV that he was receiving regular, coordinated, illegal leaks via active FBI agents.

(32) Meanwhile, Erik Prince is a walking indictment last seen trying to build a clandestine Trump-Putin backchannel.
Blackwater Founder Repped Trump at Secret Meeting Overseas: Sources
www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/blackwater-founder-repped-trump-secret-meeting-overseas-sources-n742266

(33) Anybody who doesn't want to get Giuliani under oath about this clip doesn't care about free and fair elections.
Rudy Giuliani On FoxNews 2 Days Before The FBI Bombshell

(34) Please note all the links needed to substantiate this story are in this thread (as some links here are link aggregations themselves).

(35) Don't let people tell you #Russiagate is just a post-election scandal irrelevant to Election Day. It determined the election results.

Lweji · 18/04/2017 07:23

Never mind the coal jobs...

The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes 9m9 minutes ago

The job losses in retail could have unexpected social and political consequences

www.nytimes.com/2017/04/15/business/retail-industry.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

"More workers in general merchandise stores have been laid off since October, about 89,000 Americans. That is more than all of the people employed in the United States coal industry"

Fingers crossed for this, though:

The New York Times‏Verified account @nytimes 1h1 hour ago
Watchdog Group Expands Lawsuit Against Trump

PerkingFaintly · 18/04/2017 07:40

Obviously Abramson's analysis may not be correct, but if it is, it goes some way towards explaining why Comey sent the letter.

Pussygate was causing Trump's support to falter - then Comey's unsolicited letter to Congress changed the story to a later-disproved slur on Clinton. So I assumed Comey must be deliberately trying to help Trump. But with the revelations about Russian involvement, coming from Comey himself, I couldn't understand why he'd do that.

If he was trying to manage the stirring being done elsewhere - and widely hinted about by the stirrers - that makes more sense.

Lweji · 18/04/2017 08:03

(17) Unfortunately, in the well over a week Comey was doing an investigation that should have happened in October, millions voted early

I think this was the key part.
They managed to keep it going for long enough to stick in people's minds and to affect early voting.

MrsT2007 · 18/04/2017 08:19

Chatter seems to be that Giuliani will be the lynch: if they can get Trump on his mafia links, racketeering and tax evasion, those are federal crimes and cannot be pardoned.

I suspect the head of the NY FBI and Comey are making sure the lot of them cannot get off scot free.