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To think that celebrating the anniversary of someone's death..

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Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 10/04/2017 20:29

Is very nasty regardless of who the person was?

So there have been a number of very devisive politicians. And quite a few who carried out mass murder. But to mark the anniversary of their passing as a cause for celebration?

I ask because someone posted a comment (on another forum) about having champaign on ice to celebrate the death of a well known politician a few days ago.

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Asmoto · 10/04/2017 21:29

I thought bonfire night commemorated the foiling of Fawkes' plot, not his actual death.

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Itisnoteasybeingdifferent · 11/04/2017 06:10

As I said, I am no fan of hers. I have worked in the places where her approach left a wasteland of lost opportunities. But it is the attitude of Babycham and Down who actively celebrate her death that I find difficult. To be sure she pulled the rug out from the subsidies enjoyed by nationalised industries. But she did not send round secret police to arrest torture striking miners in the way Pinochet did. She didn't deport people to forced labour until they died of exhaustion as Pol Pot did. I would suggest if there is an anniversary to mark it is her last public speech. Even then she was suffering dementia and stroke.

Perhaps the bile expressed by those who celebrate her death says more about them and what they stand for.

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SuperBeagle · 11/04/2017 06:17

Couldn't muster up a fuck to give about what others do, to be honest.

There are certainly people I wouldn't waste tears on, to say the least. And when someone's a cunt of a person, and they're dead (no longer conscious of anything, let alone being aware that people are "celebrating" their non-existence), they aren't owed the respect that would normally be given in death.

SuperBeagle · 11/04/2017 06:20

So it would be okay to celebrate the anniversaries of their deaths, but not Thatcher's?

TaliDiNozzo · 11/04/2017 06:34

Thatcher was evil and I wouldn't blame anyone who celebrated her death.

FrancisCrawford · 11/04/2017 06:36

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ComputerUserNotTrained · 11/04/2017 08:16

I am imagining her epitaph... Not as bad as Pol Pot

FrancisCrawford · 11/04/2017 08:21

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Dawndonnaagain · 11/04/2017 10:25

To be sure she pulled the rug out from the subsidies enjoyed by nationalised industries. But she did not send round secret police to arrest torture striking miners in the way Pinochet did. She didn't deport people to forced labour until they died of exhaustion as Pol Pot did.
No, she ruined people's lives in other ways. She did deprive folk of their liberty on trumped up charges. Some of those industries were in fact still viable and she covered up the police activity at Hillsborough.

LadyPW · 11/04/2017 11:24

Perhaps the bile expressed by those who celebrate her death says more about them and what they stand for.
This. You may despise someone's politics & actions but to actually celebrate their death makes you equally repugnant.

BarbarianMum · 11/04/2017 11:29

Equally repugnant? Really? Celebrate Hitler's death and you're as repugnant as someone who killed millions of people?Who gassed babies?

Wow. No grey on your scale.

BBCNewsRave · 11/04/2017 12:15

Surely the day to celebrate would be the day she lost power?

FrancisCrawford · 11/04/2017 12:48

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BabychamSocialist · 11/04/2017 13:09

Itisnoteasybeingdifferent

As I said, when you've seen a grown woman cry because she won the top prize of a tin of stewed steak on the Bingo, or a whole village practically relying on soup kitchens and food parcels, you can tell me what to do.

I have seen those things. I saw first hand what she did to my family and thousands of others. My community never recovered from that. "She didn't send round secret police to torture striking miners" - no, she got the normal police to provoke them into violence instead, she had union members put on lists and many under surveillance.

It was nothing to do with "pulling the subsidies from nationalised industries" - miners quite rightly thought that pit closures shouldn't be happening, because they hadn't been thought out properly and Thatcher just wanted to cut mercilessly. Of course, they were right, as she got her way and until the 2000s we had to import coal from abroad which was inferior and actually cost more than keeping open the pits.

ExplodedCloud · 11/04/2017 13:26

I recall her jubilation at the end of the Falklands Conflict. A conflict entirely of her own making. A conflict that resulted in unnecessary deaths.
Previous governments had quietly handled any aggression without any casualties.

echt · 11/04/2017 13:32

But she did not send round secret police to arrest torture striking miners in the way Pinochet did. She didn't deport people to forced labour until they died of exhaustion as Pol Pot did.

Hardly the point. I'm sure there are quite few things she didn't do.

But within the remit allowed her by the laws of the UK, she completely fucked up a lot of people.

Utter utter bastard. Sorry I overlooked her passing. Will put it on next year's calendar, and thanks for reminding me, OP.

Cheers:o

BabychamSocialist · 11/04/2017 13:39

Oh also, she did actually practically torture people. She wanted Liverpool to die in a cesspit of its own making because the council refused to commit to her savage spending cuts, she also nearly allowed people to starve to death because she'd brought in a law that meant the family of striking miners (ie their wives) couldn't claim welfare benefits in most circumstances. If they could, a £15 deduction was taken based on Union payments - fine, but those payments were only paid out in the first few weeks of the strike, not for the whole time. It meant people were being penalised for something they didn't have.

As I said, if it hadn't been for communities working together as well as some notable charities, many would have died. It's why I only donate to certain charities - The Salvation Army and others. The Salvation Army didn't choose sides, they came into communities, brought food and clothing, and helped anyone who needed it.

I will never, ever forgive that woman. Or that party. Not that I'd vote Tory anyway, but she is still idolised in that party and they genuinely don't see what she did wrong. They can't understand why they are so hated in many communities. Perhaps they never will.

BillSykesDog · 11/04/2017 13:46

Interesting some people thought it was McGuinness and it turned out it's Thatcher.

McGuinness actually told people to stop celebrating Thatcher's death because out of basic humanity and decency we should realise that people were in mourning and that to celebrate a death was always wrong.

BabychamSocialist · 11/04/2017 15:54

At the end of the day, we're all our own people and if we want to celebrate, we will.

I'm sure people celebrated when Hitler, Castro, Saddam etc died or were killed, I don't see why it's different.

originalbiglymavis · 11/04/2017 16:29

Well I'm amazed that no-one has said it so far on here (apologies if I've missed it). Would a male PM or politician have had so much hate?

I mourn my parents and do not waste energy celebrating others' death. Thatcher was not a dictator - she was a single member of a political party and the not solely to.blame.

I prefer to use my energy actually doing some good in this world.

herethereandeverywhere · 11/04/2017 16:42

I'm not sure what cocking a snoot at those celebrating Thatcher's death really achieves. If it makes the living feel better, let them celebrate.

I can imagine that the self-same people had very little to celebrate during her time in office, so a once a year celebration that she's dead seems fair game to me

BabychamSocialist · 11/04/2017 16:51

originalbiglymavis

Yes. When Reagan died, many in the LGBT community celebrated because many of their friends died due to his slowness in responding to the AIDS crisis (because it was a 'gay' disease).

When Castro died, people celebrated in Cuba. When Stalin died, people celebrated.

And no, she wasn't a dictator, but a lot of their more brutal policies were her ideas. She couldn't be swayed by anyone on the cabinet - that's why they got rid of her in the end. She was too much of a liability because she thought she knew everything.

Branleuse · 11/04/2017 16:58

ah yeah, i saw that it was the anniversary of thatcher dying the other day as it came up in my facebook memories and made me smile all over again

Birdsgottaf1y · 11/04/2017 17:00

I can remember were I was the day Thatcher died and how pleased I was.

Like a pp I lived in Thatchers Liverpool, while she not only destroyed the City, she destroyed its reputation, by driving the cover up of Hillsborough.

""Surely the day to celebrate would be the day she lost power?""

I think that it's a shame that she died before Liverpool got justice. While that didn't happen, she still held an amount of power, a bit like having the last laugh.

For me it's a case of "Ding Dong the Witch is dead" it's a cause for celebration.

Although I would have preferred it if she was alive and Compos Mentis, the day the truth came out.

I'm also equally appalled that some of the SS guards went on to lead normal lives, does that make me as bad as them?

Birdsgottaf1y · 11/04/2017 17:05

""Would a male PM or politician have had so much hate? ""

Yes.

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