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Look! I just dropped $1million of bombs on your thread, so stop going on about #Russiagate (Trump cont.)

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 07/04/2017 22:01

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2893017-Dont-look-at-that-old-thread-its-FAKE-Look-at-this-one-Trump-cont

Sorry about the rubble and orphans Confused

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 06:44

After Campaign Exit, Manafort Borrowed From Businesses With Trump Ties

www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/us/politics/paul-manafort-donald-trump.html?_r=0

Same day Manafort left campaign he set up shell co & received $13M in loans from two businesses with ties to Trump.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 06:51

D
Te-Ping Chen‏ @tepingchen

How the news Trump won't label China a currency manipulator plays here:
"Eating his words!"
"Trump slaps self in face, again"

Look! I just dropped $1million of bombs on your thread, so stop going on about #Russiagate (Trump cont.)
Look! I just dropped $1million of bombs on your thread, so stop going on about #Russiagate (Trump cont.)
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 07:15

HuffPost Politics‏ @HuffPostPol

Trump reverses himself on 6 major issues in 2 days t.co/BGB03yTz9D?amp=1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 07:22

5h
Ashley Parker‏ @AshleyRParker
Dead Man Walking: A Bannon friend likened him to a terminally ill family member who had been moved to hospice care.

Inside Bannon’s struggle: From ‘shadow president’ to Trump’s marked man
t.co/l2FZWfd99L?amp=1

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 07:24

Amy Siskind‏ @Amy_Siskind
Here, I'll say it: Trump is officially in free-fall! As we approach the 100 day mark of his regime taking power...

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 07:28

Joan Walsh‏ @joanwalsh

Russian Billionaire Tied To Paul Manafort Is $1.6 Billion Richer Since Trump's Election via @forbes

t.co/ib7dvaHMYf?amp=1

BiglyBadgers · 13/04/2017 07:28

I think rep Adam Schiff is awesome and gives great Twitter Grin

Look! I just dropped $1million of bombs on your thread, so stop going on about #Russiagate (Trump cont.)
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 07:33

billmoyers.com/story/trump-for-young-readers/

Trump for Young Readers
Donald Trump is pretty much a walking advertisement for everything we don’t want our children to be. And yet he’s the president. Children are supposed to respect the president. What to do?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 07:39

I really quite fancy admire Mr Schiff Blush

BiglyBadgers · 13/04/2017 07:43

Teach your children that the president is someone who works for them and that nobody is above the law no matter what their job? Teach them that people have to earn respect at that blindly following a leader is not what democracy is about?...Hmm

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 07:43

Jamil Smith‏ @JamilSmith

There are some inherent problems with Trump’s Obamacare hostage plan, as @EricLevitz notes. (link: nym.ag/p)

Look! I just dropped $1million of bombs on your thread, so stop going on about #Russiagate (Trump cont.)
OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 13/04/2017 07:55

From the article:

"The fact that he is now president of the United States presents an additional ideological problem for children’s book publishers. Not only must they find a way around the fact that their subject is a racist, sexist, ethnocentric, McCarthyite, lying con man, but also that nearly half the country’s voters knew all this and picked him anyway."

"To be honest about Trump is to be honest about America, and right now, that is just not the kind of thing children’s publishers are set up to do. It’s not even the kind of thing The New York Times or The Washington Post is set up to do — at least not without blaming “both sides” for whatever crime against democracy, decency or common sense Trump has most recently committed. Joana Costa Knufinke, group editor for nonfiction books in Scholastic’s library publishing division, uses this time-honored excuse when she explains to Rosman, “We make an effort to show both points of view.”"

"The challenge regarding Trump, however, is not that he has flaws, as men and all presidents do. The problem is that he is all flaws and that it was these flaws that got him elected president. Without those flaws — the racism, sexism, jingoism, dishonesty, incompetence, ignorance and belligerence — there is nothing left to say about Trump… except perhaps to make fun of his hair. This puts the nice people in the children’s book business in the uncomfortable position of either ignoring the new president or running interference of his destructive qualities and teaching our children to, at best, ignore them, or at worst, emulate them."

"Once they are old enough to learn what kind of man he really is, they can then explore the more important and more difficult question: What kind of country are we to allow him to become our president?"

PausingFlatly · 13/04/2017 08:19

Yes yes, Ginger, the first artist is enacting his own statue - an angry bull upset that a woman has an effect on his world.

"Nevertheless, she persisted".Grin

Lweji · 13/04/2017 08:26

Children are supposed to respect the president. What to do?

This is a good opportunity to reach that you may not like the person but you can still respect the position they occupy, if not the person.

And that sometimes, if we disagree with the people in certain positions, that we have ways to challenge them and not just accept it all.

I think it's a great opportunity for children's authors.

Lweji · 13/04/2017 08:27

...opportunity to teach...

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 13/04/2017 08:30

"Once they are old enough to learn what kind of man he really is, they can then explore the more important and more difficult question: What kind of country are we to allow him to become our president?"

After Trump's shock win last November, my then 8 year old had the measure of him. He was very cross about a man who "hates Muslims" (as many of his classmates & friends are) and women. It's likely he picked up on our concern and that of his firebrand year 4 teacher, but his sense of outrage and unfairness was all his own. Children's strong desire for fairness seems to cut right through a lot of political rhetoric.

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illegitimateMortificadospawn · 13/04/2017 08:35

Yes, there have been a lot of teachable moments lately. On the morning of Brexit, my walk to school with my 2 boys (10 & 8) went like this:

Boys: But why is Brexit happening? It's stupid.
Me: because more than half of the people that voted, voted in favour of Brexit.
Boys: But it's so stupid, why?
Me: that's how democracies work. Everyone's votes count the same, even those of stupid or nasty people or people we don't agree with... We might not agree with the outcome, but we have to accept that more than half of the the people who voted want it.

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Lweji · 13/04/2017 08:37

And to teach our children why we should always vote.

illegitimateMortificadospawn · 13/04/2017 08:44

Agreed.

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Weedsnseeds1 · 13/04/2017 08:47

The USA isn't really in a position to take the moral high ground on use of chemical weapons. With or without the ridiculous Hitler comment.
Vietnam
Japan
Fallujah
And if the argument is about using them on their own people
St. Louis
Waco

BiglyBadgers · 13/04/2017 08:55

The really amusing thing about the Bull artist is that he installed the bull in the middle of the night without any permission at all from anyone. It got carted off by the police and only returned due to public pressure. Now he is moaning because they didn't consult with him about the girl. Hmm

BiglyBadgers · 13/04/2017 09:00

I simply don't get this idea that you can't talk to kids about difficult topics. I agree that these events should be seen as a huge opportunity for children's authors. My dd is 5. She has been to protests and we have talked to her about immigration, why people come to our country and some of the reasons people oppose it. There are some really amazing books for kids that cover difficult stuff. A book called "Azzi inbetween" about a refuge family is one of dd's favourites, though both dh and I cried a little bit the first time we read it.

I am constantly amazed at dd's pragmatism and sense of justice when these things come up.

GingerIvy · 13/04/2017 09:02

The Hill‏Verified account @thehill 57s57 seconds ago
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Manafort borrowed millions from Trump-tied businesses one day after leaving Trump campaign hill.cm/5HNisrq

PausingFlatly · 13/04/2017 09:09

His outrage is so perfect!Grin

"I am a Man, arrived to do my Manly Thing! Behold I have made my statement! You may all admire me now...

Whaddya mean a tiny female gets to answer back? Doesn't she understand I'm in charge? Shock"

GingerIvy · 13/04/2017 09:17

CNN‏Verified account @CNN 7m7 minutes ago
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North Korea may have the capability to deliver missiles equipped with sarin nerve gas, Japanese PM Shinzo Abe says cnn.it/2o9B2yi

Oh yes, and Trump will continue to antagonise NK. Argh.

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