that part of the funds from the tampon tax are going to an anti abortion group.

[HelenaDove]

A quarter of a million pounds to Life.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/01/tampon-tax-anti-abortion-group-anger?CMP=twt_gu

yellow6 right now if i got pregnant my baby would stand no chance of life due to medication i take, pregnancy would not only impact my mental health but also my physical as i wouldn't be able to take regular medication.
This is why right now i take all the precautions i can.
I believe that i take priority over everything else.
I choose me. I wouldn't risk my health over a pregnancy, yet you would want to risk my health just to continue a pregnancy?
so you don't give a toss about the woman?
Rape and incest victims, including KIDS they should also continue an unwanted pregnancy?
You have no idea.
You are ignorant.

Horrified, furious & sad.

As if the tax wasn't enough this takes the fookin biscuit.

You have no idea.
You are ignorant.

Agreed.
It's one thing to hold the view that as an individual you couldnt have an abortion because of your own ethics/morality/religion/other reasons.

It's quite another to believe you have the authority and right to remove another persons freedom.
But like i said in earlier posts people who are anti-choice dont give a damn about the outcomes for the baby/child once its born. They just sit on their high horse pretending they're some kind of saviour from nasty baby murderers because it reinforces their inflated sense of their own awesomeness.

Ive never met a pro choice person who has tried to convince me to lose my pro life personal views. I have met many anti-choice individuals who seem to be ready to tell me that im morally awful and complicit in baby murder for being po choice and believing each woman has the right to choose.

Why would a pro choice person try to convince you to lose you pro life views? That makes no sense. A pro life person is unlikely to have a pro life person try to convince them to change their view either.

I still think some women have abortions because they don't see how they can manage and when I had my pregnancy test at BPAS they certainly did try to persuade me that at 21 with a 3 year old and a baby only a few months old I should have an abortion and they did use emotion blackmail telling me it wasn't fair to the children I had. They were definitely pushy about it.

But like i said in earlier posts people who are anti-choice dont give a damn about the outcomes for the baby/child once its born. They just sit on their high horse pretending they're some kind of saviour from nasty baby murderers because it reinforces their inflated sense of their own awesomeness.

Isn't the whole point about this charity that they do give a damn about the mother and baby after the baby is born? I don't know anything about them myself but that is what people on here seem to be saying.

Why would a pro choice person try to convince you to lose you pro life views? That makes no sense. A pro life person is unlikely to have a pro life person try to convince them to change their view either.

As ive said before. Because when people call themselves "pro life" what they ACTUALLY mean is that they are ANTI CHOICE.

Its not pro life vs pro choice. Its pro choice vs anti choice.

Personally, i am pro life. I am ALSO pro choice because I dont believe that i have the righy to inflict my views on othrrs choices.
The problem with pro lifers (who are really anti choice) is that they arent happy with saying "i personally wouldnt have an abortion" they feel entitles to remove a womans right to choose.

As a result ive found pro choice people very accomodating of my views but 'prolife' read anti choice are all too happy to tell me im not a real Christian because i dont seek to limit other peoples choices.

Hearing someone reframe the debate as pro choice vs anti choice absolutely changed my perspective on the entire debate.

Thought mooncups were a bit placenta munchy then I tried one.

So much better,

No leaking
No running out of Sanpro
No spending annoying amounts funding horrible enterprises

Once you get the hang of plugging it in and fishing it out it's loads better.

Well that is your experience, my experience at BPAS was their pro choice meant I should have an abortion. They weren't interested in me having a choice, it was irrelevant as the test was negative but they were very pushy. Personally I wouldn't have an abortion but I have supported people who have made that choice but I do think it should be a choice and no one should try to guilt trip you into it.

Obviously my experience was some years ago and their position might have changed or maybe that wasn't their position then but I saw a particularly pushy advisor. I don't know.

Unpleasant.

It is colluding in the potential deaths of women. Stopping safe access to abortion doesn't end it, it just means women access it unsafely.

I disagree with pushyness on both sides.

Advice should be factual and non emotional.
E.g. its fine to ask "how will your finances be affevted jf you have another child? And How do you feel a new child might affect your current family?" But not ok to say "you wont be able to provide and youll really struggle"
Its fine to say "at this stage in the pregnancy you are x weeks and the current stage of development is...' and use the biological terms. Its not ok to start talking about "baby is 8 weeks old and..."

My pet hate is "but there are so many people whod love to adopt" but no presentation of the life chances for a child in care who doesnt get adopted.

Its a tough decision to make for lots of people and the more factual/informed peolle can be the better.

I believe VAT is still payable on a Mooncup so not quite sure why that's relevant?

maisy you've just about summed up how i feel about some pro lifers. ( not all, just some).
I've been told repeatedly that i'm going to hell and that i should just take contraceptives ( i do) i've said none are 100% So then apparently i should never have sex incase i fall pregnant

kali110
I really struggled for years trying to reconcile how i could be both prolife and prochoice.
Honestly, the biggest transformation was realising that the 2 arent opposites at all.

Option 1: you believe that a woman/couple has the right to information to make the choice thats righy for them whether that is abortion or baby (pro choice)

Option 2: you dont believe thay women/couples have the right to information and think that choice should be denied. (Anti choice)

Pro life doesnt come into it beyond sombody's personal view, which they can hold under option 1

often the claim 'pro life' ends up being nothing more than a euphemism to cover up the erosion of womens freedoms and rights.

MaisyPops, I agree people shouldn't have to put up with an agenda from charities/NHS or whoever. The only thing I would add is some women do need support, financial/housing or whatever and I don't have a problem with people being told that if they choose to go ahead with the pregnancy then they will be helped to access that help. Sometimes vulnerable women need that help. Some women might need help after an abortion (maybe some counselling or help with contraceptives) and that should be offered as well. Just offering the abortion isn't the total deal or it shouldn't be.

Well I had all my children in my 20s and it was a choice, I really don't see what age as to do with anything.

Yanbu op btw! There shouldn't even be tax on tampons
Everyone check out your local food and furniture banks. Ours is collecting sanitary products to deliver to schools (awful that this has to happen)

Today programme on R4 today was discussing this - the rep from Life didn't even know what was on the first page of their website and dug a MASSIVE hole for herself.

Posters of bin bags full of babies and images of abortion they show to children. Little badges of babies feet you can wear to show you think abortion should be outlawed, telling children the pill is the same as an abortion and that the coil is just as bad.

*Offer 'counselling' that tells women they will regret an abortion.

Lovely organisation*

What kind of person decided to give funding to these absolute morons

Disgusting

I was having look at their website the other day. Apparently they visit primary schools to give talks. Which is nice.

Apparently they visit primary schools to give talks. Which is nice. hmm
We had a workshop in school for sex ed (y7/8) and their central message was 'tgis is charlie. Charlie texted a boy and soon enough she send naked selfies. Then they slept together but she was a good girl and knew rrally she shouldnt. Soon she was peer pressured into drink and drugs and her future was over. Ita very important that you dont want attention from people of the opposite sex because youll end up making awful life chances".
All the staff in the session were pissed about it and put in a complaint. Turns out with a bit of googling that the education company were actually a splinter group of a pro life abstinance only group.
They were not invited back into school

Maisy that is disgusting. Good on you and rest of the staff for complaining.

I looked Life up following this thread, Maisey because I was interested to know how much income they received from rent (I posted earlier about them charging at least twice the rent of a full flat or house for one room in one of their hostels - which had never sat right with me). It was an eye-opener, I can tell you.

HelenaDove
We were so annoyed.
We were a very tolerant school and we allowed faith groups in etc with the expectation thay they are up front about it and speak in a way that is age appropriate. E.g. 'As Christians we believe.... because...'

So many issues with that group:.

1. The message was designed to scare kids
2. I ended up having an hour with 11 year olds after asking me what 'crack' was and how would thry know if a friend was offering it. Other kids were worried sick because older siblings had boyfriends/girlfriends.
3. Not once did they make it clear they were religious, pro life or that they were offering abstinence only education.

It was like that moment in mean girls. Dont have sex or youll die.

ComputerUserNumptyTwit
Our one wasnt Life but it sounds similar. Not namimg our group because i dont know how many schools in my area who had them in.
Would quite like to name and shame them. They are scaremongering nasty individuals.