that part of the funds from the tampon tax are going to an anti abortion group.

[HelenaDove]

A quarter of a million pounds to Life.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/01/tampon-tax-anti-abortion-group-anger?CMP=twt_gu

Yanbu.

the only inappropriate funding is the millions of taxpayers cash to women who want to kill there babies. and i dont believe people should have the right to kill innocent babies whether there in there womb or not as there is no moral diffrence as far as i can tell between a baby outside of the womb that is premature than a baby at the same age who is in the womb.

Disgraceful!!
So if i become homeless and pregnant they'll help me if i don't abort? ( even if it puts my health or mental health at risk )
Is there no petition for this?

I don't believe I've ever used the words 'Fuck off' on a public forum before, but for your ignorant use of the expression 'kill there babies' here you go. Women are perfectly entitled to wish to terminate a pregnancy.

I think the tampon tax should be used to sort out the situation in NI where you can't even get an abortion. I think that's somewhat of a priority.

whats ignorant about it? its true i think in any debate talking truthfully is important but please do explain the moral difference between a baby in the womb and a baby thats born

Many moons ago someone I know was offered a place at a Life home, via the council. The amount of rent Life would have been earning from housing benefit had they accepted the room was phenomenal - I don't recall the exact figure but it was something like twice the sum they'd have been paying for a council house.

Yes bills were included and there were staff to pay but even so I couldn't help but think they were making money out of the whole thing (presumably to fund their campaigns).

yellow6 we're not here to educate you. If you want to start a different threat to debate the ethics of abortion then feel free. This thread is about the travesty that is UK women being forced to fund a cause that many of us fundamentally disagree with.

So as Signora said, do fuck off dear. Haven't you got revision to do or something?

whats ignorant about it? its true i think in any debate talking truthfully is important but please do explain the moral difference between a baby in the womb and a baby thats born
Your morals are your own.
There is a difference between a bunch of parasitic cells and a baby. Huge difference. One can sustain life without a host, ergo the host gets to choose whether or not to feed said parasite. Simple as that. No morals involved. You want to discuss morals, how about discussing the morals of the flu virus, or cancer cells growing?

I am pro-choice precisely because of the babies.

Much as I agree with our right to autonomy over our bodies, I do not think that is the reason why women abort. Most women who abort do so because they know or feel that they could not give the possible child a sufficiently decent life.

Excellent letter Phoenix which I have shamelessly copied and emailed to my MP. Thank you.

"I think the money should he spent providing every girl with a mooncup"

"I will provide you with a mooncup because you are poor so i know better than you and will make your choice for you because i think that you as a poor person should be grateful and accept what you are given" I dont care that your choices are limiited because you are poor. I think your choices should be limited even further by others saying what sanitary protection you should be using"

Yours , Lady Bountiful

Life (as in the charity) isn't all about abortion. They provide assistance to homeless women who become pregnant, school presentations on forming healthy relationships

Posters of bin bags full of babies and images of abortion they show to children. Little badges of babies feet you can wear to show you think abortion should be outlawed, telling children the pill is the same as an abortion and that the coil is just as bad.

Offer 'counselling' that tells women they will regret an abortion.

Lovely organisation.

Exactly Summerisdone Like i said on page 1 it is giving women no choice but to fund their own oppression.

i dont believe people should have the right to kill innocent babies whether there in there womb or not as there is no moral diffrence as far as i can tell between a baby outside of the womb that is premature than a baby at the same age who is in the womb.

And if the baby is trying to kill the woman carrying it?

Would you deny a woman cancer treatment because she is pregnant?

Would you arrest a woman who has had a miscarriage for murder? It's very difficult to tell if a miscarriage has been induced so maybe lock up all women who don't carry to term just in case?

Read up on what happens where abortion is illegal. You don't have to go far, Ireland is fine.

Well, I just emailed my MP, who is Boris Johnson, but hey ho!

I did mention in my email that he came to visit the school I work in recently, and that we provide SP to our students. This comes out of our school funds (well I buy them and usually lose the flippin receipts to claim the expenses back, so its me buying them usually). Anyway, they are for emergency use really, but there are certainly a few girls who use our supply and their only supply as they dont have the funds to buy them, parents wont buy them etc. Perhaps the LIFE £250,000 could provide school sanitary protection to every school?

i dont believe people should have the right to kill innocent babies whether there in there womb or not as there is no moral diffrence as far as i can tell between a baby outside of the womb that is premature than a baby at the same age who is in the womb.
Other than its not a baby! But who needs biology.

I'm pro life and pro choice. The difference between you and I is that I dont think my personal beliefs should be imposed on other women.

You are anti-choice. To be anti-choice you are saying that you are some kind of moral authority and have the right to dictate others. Somebody being pro choice would never tell you to abort so why are you so awesome that you can tell another woman whats best?

I always think its odd that the people who are antichoice dont consider the effect of a child on a mother and go straight for 'they can be adopted' even though theres a shortagr of adoptive parents and life chances for looked after children are worse than those who arent in the care system (which is already underfunded). Its all well and good being some kind of preachy selfrightous person about a cuty little baby but you dont see all theae anti choice people helping sort the lives of kids in care, adopting these children, fostering or donating to servuces for looked after kids. Its like its a baby that should be born but once its born (or been saved from murder) they dont care.

Surely being pro choice is also giving women the chance to keep a baby if they want to, I mean do abortion charities ask women if they would keep the baby if they had a house and some support? Women having an abortion because they feel like there is no choice isn't really a choice is it.

Being pro choice grannytomine means that all the facts are considered and presented without iver emotionally manipulative langauge e.g. calling a cluster of cells a baby.

Assuming a woman had an abortion because they feel theres no choice is just disingenuous. Its not a decision that a woman makes lightly and once theyve made a choice they dont need people emotionally manipulating them like thr anti-choice lobby.

Ive never met a pro choice person who has tried to convince me to lose my pro life personal views. I have met many anti-choice individuals who seem to be ready to tell me that im morally awful and complicit in baby murder for being po choice and believing each woman has the right to choose.

Its not pro life vs pro choice.
It is pro choice vs anti choice.

Lots of women, particularly young ones, don't want to use a mooncup. My 16 year old hasn't even managed to use tampons. I am perimenopausal and when I do have periods believe me, a mooncup on its own won't do me - certainly not overnight.

If you're going to use washable pads (which I really do not want to do) you need the facilities to wash them, and indeed be able to afford the hot water and often you'll want a bit of privacy too. None of which are madly compatible with being too poor to afford sanpro in the first place.

Is the mooncup taxed? Would hand made reusable pads from somewhere like Etsy incur this tax or not?

I do not wish to contribute another penny to this propaganda.

I wouldnt use a mooncup. Its not for me. I dont mind eco warriors limiting my use of carrier bags. Fair enough.

But i will NOT be dictated to about what i should do with or put into my body. MY body MY choice.

I have an overactive bladder so i use Tena Lady pads. They do both jobs.

To those who don't agree with abortion, can I ask if you are religious?

PutThatPomBearBack
Personally yes I am religious and am pro life for myself agree other than exceptional circumstances for myself (still feel awkward reflecting on when my line would be between it being ok if im honest and I hope im never in that position becausr it would be a massive ethical issue for me).

BUT, i am strongly pro choice and dont believe I have the right to limit other womens choices based on my personal views.

For me its not about pro life vs pro choice. Its respecting the right to choose (pro choice) vs thinking your own views are so superior you can control other peoples life (anti choice)