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To think Nick Clegg would of made a great PM

171 replies

brexitstolemyfuture · 29/03/2017 08:32

He's speaking such common sense on brexit and how much of a mess it will be and most people who voted to exit have no clue. It's such a shame his career is over :(

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SukeyTakeItOffAgain · 30/03/2017 15:00

I'm just itching to type "I agree with Nick the OP".

Carolinesbeanies · 30/03/2017 15:54

"So a good leader is one who ploughs their own course, doesn't pay attention to diverging opinions and is convinced they are never wrong but gets stuff done (but naturally only the stuff they want done).

Sounds very similar to the accepted view of how Russians vote and look how well that has done for them over the last 80-90 years."

Not at all. A good leader is one who ensures the right people are doing the right job, prioritises the important tasks from the petty, and absolutely sacks the under achievers without a second thought. He/she represents the nation, and brings the gravity of that responsibility to the role. Nick Clegg hasnt got a clue about 'Nation first'.

Weve become so used to disingenuous election manifestos, we accept continual slippy slidy u-turn politicians. Its time for zero tolerance and thats exactly where we are today. We have a first past the post system because we know the impotence of coalition and the damaging impact of minority groups on main stream government. That doesnt mean to say minorities are ignored, but when you give disproportionate power to minority streams, the majority usually pay the price.

For example, All those supporting Sturgeon in her sychophantic and self promoting media onslaught should indeed look at the impact on the country if indeed we did go to a PR. UKIP received 2.3 million more votes than the SNP, yet they have 1 seat (thankfully) in parliament where the SNP have 56. Sturgeon would do well to remember that.

TM has absolutely stepped up to the role we have demanded of her, despite her being a previous remain supporter. She has no doubt whatsoever of the countries expectation and is fully aware of what she is being paid to do. Her personal wishes/opinion, dont have any bearing whatsoever. That is a good leader. Robin Cook was the same and was hugely under appreciated.
Cameron ran for the hills despite assuring the country he wouldnt. Clegg has jumped in the I can be critical from the passenger seat because its no skin of my nose. And the Labour party has well simply internally combusted as theyve been utterly caught out in their contradicting, people pleasing duplicity.
The nation will no longer accept the duplicity of Blair or any other of his ilk.

We have, for the first time since Clement Atlee, a nation which is demanding zero tolerance from our government and demanding they act in the nations best interest, almost irrespective of previous allegances.

Atlee implemented social changes previously unseen to address an utterly broken post-war britain, simply because, the nation demanded he do so. As now, there were of course huge rafts of detractors. There will always be those who 'well Ive done ok under the old regime, how dare you change it'. Nick Clegg hasnt a clue and is indeed utterly bemused as to why the nation voted out. How does that even come close to representing our nation as a great leader?

OhtoblazeswithElvira · 30/03/2017 17:19

Ah you beat me to it Sukey Grin I feel a bit old!

I'm not sure about Nick Clegg's character and leadership skills but I don't doubt his intelligence and ability to absorb huge amounts of complex information... we need a few thousands like him to negotiate with the EU in the next few years.

OhtoblazeswithElvira · 30/03/2017 17:25

We have, for the first time since Clement Atlee, a nation which is demanding zero tolerance from our government and demanding they act in the nations best interest, almost irrespective of previous allegances.
I completely disagree. We have many MPS who wih their votes helped to pass the Brexit bill and believe that it will be bad for the country. Some think the people's will should prevail over the nation's interest. Some think their career should prevail Grin

"So a good leader is one who ploughs their own course, doesn't pay attention to diverging opinions and is convinced they are never wrong but gets stuff done (but naturally only the stuff they want done).

Sounds very similar to the accepted view of how Russians vote and look how well that has done for them over the last 80-90 years."

Actually I was thinking more Theresa May!

justnowords · 30/03/2017 17:56

For example, All those supporting Sturgeon in her sychophantic and self promoting media onslaught should indeed look at the impact on the country if indeed we did go to a PR. UKIP received 2.3 million more votes than the SNP, yet they have 1 seat (thankfully) in parliament where the SNP have 56. Sturgeon would do well to remember that. Nice try at having a pop at the SNP but FFS do a bit of reading. SNP support PR and have said they would support it in Westminster. It's the Tory and Labour parties that oppose it. But dont let the facts get in the way of your shitty rant.

brickinitIam · 30/03/2017 18:47

He's weak.
I can see why the weak admire him.

RortyCrankle · 30/03/2017 19:12

brickinitIam
He's weak.
I can see why the weak admire him.

So very true.

SukeyTakeItOffAgain · 30/03/2017 19:19

Oh yes strong leaders are great. Look at that nice Mr Erdogan and Mr Putin and Mr Assad.

Tanith · 30/03/2017 19:32

"So Tanith and Justnowords - you would have preferred another election and a tory government with no libdems (i.e. similar to what we have now)? And that would have been better? "

Talk about a strawman argument Grin

Notthemessiah · 31/03/2017 19:20

Not wanting to go all Princess Bride, but I'm not sure that means what you think it means. You argued that he shouldn't have gone into coalition with the conservatives and I argued that the alternative would have been worse. How is that a straw man argument?

As for Teresa may being some selfless one-nation Tory, forgoing her own beliefs for the good of the nation, please. She hedged her bets by very quietly picking what she thought was likely to be the winning team but then hid away during the campaigning, doing her best to stay 'in' with both camps of the party so as to maximise her career prospects. Her attitude towards brexit now indicates she really was a natural brexiteer all along (but just didn't believe they would win). She is a career politician of the worst kind.

anotherdayanothersquabble · 31/03/2017 19:49

Would HAVE!!!!

SukeyTakeItOffAgain · 31/03/2017 22:09

another yes that's already been done by someone else who wanted to be an arse.

Tanith · 01/04/2017 08:36

Notthemessiah
No, that's not what you did. You stated a specific scenario and tried to imply that was what we wanted. You then argued from that position. A strawman argument.

For a start, you assumed we are Libdem supporters. I am not.

Notthemessiah · 01/04/2017 21:11

I see - so it wasn't your opinion you were stating but somebody else's?

Regardless, I didn't imply that this was whatever libdem supporter you happened to be channelling wanted - I said that there were two choices and that not picking the first therefore, by default, meant they must prefer the second.

Instead of crying strawman, please tell me what you think your hypothetical libdem supporter should have done?

Jazzywazzydodah · 01/04/2017 21:13

No he is a wet lettuce

Headfullofdreams · 01/04/2017 22:02

I wish he was. Or alternatively Angela Merkel.

In fact my 8 year old would do a better job than our current PM. He has lots of empathy, kindness and is quite intelligent.

shortsaint · 01/04/2017 22:08

Good principled man. I think time will show that it was the Lib Dems part in the Coalition that kept the country together 2010-15. The Tories had ONE year in sole power and then Cameron cocked it all up for political expediency (a weak, weak man).

Such a shame that the Lib Dems were pilloried in the 2015 election. And I voted Labour!

Yorkshirebetty · 02/04/2017 17:22

Aaaargh!!! Would HAVE not would OF! (sorry, grammar pedant) Smile

SukeyTakeItOffAgain · 02/04/2017 17:49

Aaaaaargh!!! Yes the OP knows that because two other people have ignored what the thread is about and informed her of their superior grammar knowledge already.

Tanith · 03/04/2017 08:15

Notthemessiah

How about going back to actually read what I wrote (my own opinion that someone happened to agree with) instead of making it up in your head?

Then you can attack from an informed position instead of looking like a twit spoiling for a fight Smile

Notthemessiah · 03/04/2017 18:39

Tanith, you do know that an insult followed by a smiley face is still an insult don't you? And yet I'm the one supposedly spoiling for a fight - sigh.

I'll leave it here anyway, before it degenerates further.

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