To think Nick Clegg would of made a great PM

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He's speaking such common sense on brexit and how much of a mess it will be and most people who voted to exit have no clue. It's such a shame his career is over :(

It's not rubbish at all Sukey I'm amazed at how people can have such short memories. Clegg is a career politician. The very first thing he did when he got into power was to have an expensive and unnecessary referendum. I've no doubt that Brown wouldn't agree to that when the decision about who the LIbDems were deciding who to go into coalition with, but the Tories did agree. The only reason Clegg wanted PR was to secure the future of his party. Screw the fact that the money could have been spent on Sure Start centres, the NHS, education... This is the reason why at the next election LIbDem MPs could have found themselves going to their annual conference in a people carrier, not a coach.

If the Tories didnt form a coalition with the Lib Dems, then they could have never passed all the crap they did. The Lib Dems could have formed a coalition with Labour and they would have had a majority vote (if I remember correctly). I, and a lot of other people I know, lost a lot of respect for the Lib Dems when they went into coalition with the Tories. And it showed at the polling stations. Clegg will always be remembered for the man who sold Lib Dems out at the expense of their party. And Tuition fees. That will be thrown in Lib Dems faces for ever and every time they roll out their manifesto promises lies.

You say that like he just woke up one day and decided, fuck it, I will just u turn on tuition fees all by himself

As leader of the party it is him who is held to account.

It's easy to talk "common sense" when you have no power and no difficult decisions to make.

He proved how badly he handled power when we was deputy PM of the government that brought in "austerity"

Agree Brits don't understand coalitions, and are easily manipulated.

Here we go again.

Yep we are all stupid and get easily led give me strength

The very first thing he did when he got into power was to have an expensive and unnecessary referendum

The only reason Clegg wanted PR was to secure the future of his party

Some kind of proportional representation has always been one of the things they campaign on. They have never hidden the fact. It was part of the deal of entering the Coalition. The Conservatives agreed to it. It wasn't NC rubbing his hands together and saying "Now I'm going to organise something which will keep ME in power, mwah ha ha ha..."

But he wasn't the only leader of the only party.

YABU

He was too content to settle down at Cameron's feet for four years. The student fees thing ruined him. It's why he got to Downing Street, and even if he had no choice in backtracking he could have handled it better.

I think he's a sensible and intelligent bloke. His downfall appears to be that he can compromise. Compromise is very useful when running a business or even a family. It's not very good when you're the only person in a coalition prepared to do it- you end up looking weak and pleasing no one.

I really hope his career isn't over. There's a definite need for his common sense approach to explaining the impact of things in U.K. Politics. There's got to be a post that can use him somewhere.

And why would the LibDems have tried to form a Coalition with the party which won fewer seats than the one they did form a Coalition with? Don't you remember 2010? People were sick of Gordon Brown (not saying they were right). He was an unpopular prime minister.

Sukey He was a fucking awful DPM. What makes you believe he would be a good PM

They chose the least worst option. Really? For who? They have since been decimated at the polls and are of non relevance in Scotland, and not much better off elsewhere. Do you think forging an alliance with Labour and others would have had a worse effect than that. What could be worse than where Lib Dems are now which is doing their best to stave off extinction.

Tory scum" is wrong. I say this as a lifetime Labour voter by the way.

Maybe I was a bit strong. But I quite simply hate them for what they have done and are doing to the country. I am sure that many tories are decent people but collectively they have done and are doing terrible things to the country. It seems a bit much to blame one man (clegg) disproportionately for one thing that they (tories) did amongst all the others shifty things that they have done.

BTW if I do a crossing out isn't it meant to be tongue in cheek?

I really dislike the Tories too Post but I did quite admire the Scottish Tory leader when she told Nicola Sturgeon to 'sit down' in the Scottish Parliament yesterday.

I was not the OP. I joined in the thread to have a discussion not to simply say "Nick Clegg should be Prime Minister of the country".

I have always thought that history will judge NC less harshly than he is being done now.

Given that we don't really have any comparisons in recent history of a Deputy PM from another party to the PM in a working Coalition, I wonder who you are comparing him to when you say "he was a fucking awful DPM"?

I thought that was a great moment too. Sturgeon's face was pretty funny.

I don't think he would make a great PM but I do think that history will be kind to him.

I think if you compare the administrations of 2010-15 and then 2015 onwards you can see just how far the LD reined in the Tories.

I do understand the sense of betrayal over tuition fees but it is surely time to move on. They simply didn't have the political capital to make it happen.

The irony of voters deserting the LDs, combined with the implosion of Labour, is that it has only served to cement Tory power. If Scottish independence happens then we can look forward to many more years of Tory administrations.

If Scottish independence happens then we can look forward to many more years of Tory administrations. But if England continuously votes in majority Tory governments surely that is democracy in action.

Within a non-proportional system, yes.

The forthcoming boundary changes are also potentially bad news for Labour.

passport that's a fair point and understand. Yes can imagine most men with sahm as wives have no clue how much those wives do and how much money they save.

Just watched sturgeons face too and yes priceless.

He's head and shoulders above the vast, vast majority of Tory/Labour MPs we have at the moment (they are a sorry bunch).

He's smart, in tune, not afraid to speak his mind.

However, the U turn on tuition fees (which I don't blame him for fully, it was to some degree the price for power) seriously hurt him. Many don't trust him, which is a shame as he still has a lot to give.

If he'd still been in coalition when the Brexit result happened, he may have been a tempering influence and helped prevent the car crash we're now happily walking into. Maybe.

Postage it was a clear anti Tory message whatever the crossings out. Every man for himself..Who the hell is Keith Vaz out for?

YABU. He's one of the last people I'd want to see as PM.