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To be fed up with austerity and TM

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Theworldisfullofidiots · 23/03/2017 06:52

So TM said I'm going to make a country that works for everyone at the same time as shafting education and health.
This government seems hell bent on austerity (which btw has never worked). I'm truly fed up with thus government and TM in particular who seems to have an inability to listen (see grammar school consultation).
AIBU to be totally fed-up. For me the last straw is cuts affecting my children's education. (it feels like the late 80s and early 90s all over again without a credible opposition - I worked in the NHS then and I remember the sigh of relief when the Tories were outed.....)

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Florrick · 24/03/2017 07:39

Labour won't be back in power until 2025 thank goodness.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 24/03/2017 07:41

I think it would be hard to say TMay has done a fantastic job with the economy as she hasn't been in office long enough to tell....
To say Cameron has is debatable, depends how you fared during the recession, and what side of the zero hour contract fence you are on etc...
Labour currently aren't a viable alternative. Libdems debatable and apart from the fact I hate Ukip so I'm biased they are a shower of crap.
So at the moment we are stuck with the Conservatives.
(btw I have no political alliances and am ethically slightly left of centre)

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BigChocFrenzy · 24/03/2017 07:46

"handing out unlimited benefits to those who don't want to support themselves." Hmm

Who are those supposedly receiving "unlimited benefits"
Most of the welfare budget goes on pensions, btw

Austerity for the poor and disabled, in order to give tax cuts to the rich.
Austerity seems designed to "punish" the poor.

lavenderandrose · 24/03/2017 07:49

I think the problem runs deeper than May, Cameron or even Brown, to be honest. The unspoken elephant in the room is that no one really has a clue what to do with the working classes. The solution to get them in work - any work - is fine as far as it goes but as OP identified, this really should be secure work, both for the economy and from a moral standpoint. It isn't right expecting people to budget and plan when one week they might have forty hours and the next twenty two. Plus, I hate the way people are shat on in a lot of these jobs. This is what Labour SHOULD be tackling and getting stern about. It makes me angry that they are not.

LibDems will never win that working class traditional Labour vote because they side with Remain over the referendum. And plus, I just don't think they 'have it.'

Austerity frustrates me to a point. But then I do also know there was some crazy spending in the Blair and Brown reign. I remember Connexions, who had laudable intentions but nine times out of ten did very little and what they DID do tended to cause more harm than good. I remember numerous jobs where I look back and wonder what on Earth their actual proposed role WAS :)

Ideally some middle ground would have been found but it wasn't. At any rate, TM can cut back whatever she wants and is in no risk of being ousted at the next election and for that I blame Corbyn.

SWOTAnalysis · 24/03/2017 08:15

Who are those supposedly receiving "unlimited benefits"

Exactly, it's been capped and stopped and unemployment is falling. [Hmm]

he unspoken elephant in the room is that no one really has a clue what to do with the working classes. The solution to get them in work - any work - is fine as far as it goes

It seems clear from this that you agree that the working classes had become the non-working classes. Labour made this acceptable and it shouldn't be. State benefits should be there for those who need it, not those who want it and those in work should be better off than those out of work. Incentives work.

Theworldisfullofidiots · 24/03/2017 08:32

I really don't think that was what was said swotanalysis. I think that lavenderandrose was saying that job security and knowing what your weekly income is shouldn't only be for the middle-class up.

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BloodyEatSomething · 24/03/2017 09:59

Further, having work that actually pays enough to live decently on should not only be for the middle classes. Living on lower incomes has always been hard - but with the housing crisis, the increase in BTLs and increase in other living costs it is getting worse and worse on a day-to-day basis, while the middle classes wring their hands and worry about their pensions and future.

Making it worth working should not just be about destroying extremely limited safety nets (much less generous than right wingers and those who've always had money believe) but about providing decent wages and living conditions for all.

wettunwindee · 24/03/2017 10:21

BloodyEatSomething + Theworldisfullofidiots = same person?

It isn't the government's duty to provide living conditions.

needsahalo · 24/03/2017 10:48

handing out unlimited benefits to those who don't want to support themselves

Jesus wept. There is no such thing as 'unlimited benefits'. You should give it a try, see how it works out for you.

SWOTAnalysis · 24/03/2017 11:20

I have a job and work hard. It gives me satisfaction and a good income. I feel proud of my salary. Why would I trade that for a life on benefits (under a Tory gvmt)?

I didn't pretend that it's a bed of roses but I do think that benefits were given much too freely under Blair's government and needed to be adjusted.

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SWOTAnalysis · 24/03/2017 11:21

Sorry. Reported myself! Smile

BloodyEatSomething · 24/03/2017 12:19

wetunwindee I don't know why you'd think we're the same person, or how to prove that we're not. Report to MNHQ if you're not satisfied with something.

As for this It isn't the government's duty to provide living conditions.

Oh but it is. It is the role of a society to ensure that each member of that society has a reasonable chance at life. And government as the supposed administrative 'leader' clearly has a central role in that.

Otherwise exactly what is the point of it? What is the good in trying to be a good contributing obedient legal citizen if all you get in exchange is kickbacks and grinding poverty? While you watch people like Blair and Osbourne apparently 'hard at work' with 6 or more full time jobs on millionaire wages? Don't you remember the last time someone said 'let them eat cake'?

There are unofficial social contracts and they are all being broken. It puts all of us in a very dangerous situation.

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