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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To refuse this lunch invitation after all?

54 replies

Shodan · 20/03/2017 17:58

I've been going round and round and can't decide, so thought I'd turn to MN for some unbiased opinions...

I have had no contact with my mother for three years. I won't bore you with the details, but this decision followed decades of insults, being hit, being treated like a skivvy and worst of all, being 'forced' to listen to her trying to make excuses for the brother who sexually abused me when I was young.

This year my eldest son turned 21. He knows why I don't speak to my mother (indeed, 4 out of her six children don't speak to her) but wanted to invite her to his family party. He told me it was totally up to me, that he would understand if I felt I couldn't etc. But- well, it was PFB, I thought 'How bad can it be?' etc. So I invited her.

It was pretty rough, tbh. She made much of one of my brothers (whilst also telling everyone there, including him, how very fat he has got), spoke to another- and virtually ignored me. Fine, that was fine by me.

I was then told that she was going round everyone in the party claiming not to know that I had separated from my XH. She did know, she sent me a text at the time. (In addition to the above reasons for stopping contact, she has a history of making everything about her, so this was no surprise to me). She then said to me that we would talk "when we both feel ready. Obviously she was now going to act the martyr, the poor unloved mother who was kept out of the loop.

Anyway. Last week she sent me a text inviting me to lunch at a local restaurant, before the Easter holidays. After some thought I replied that I couldn't as I was grading on Mothers' Day and training a lot before that, but perhaps during summer term. (For clarification- I do karate. I have done for 14 years, this is my 3rd dan black belt grading. She has been to at least one of my gradings).

She replied with "Good luck with your grading. Whatever it is. love Mum.'

Now I don't want to go at all- in all fairness, I didn't really want to go before, but now I feel that if she's going to be that petty, I have no interest in going.

But- maybe I'm being harsh? The 'whatever it is' part of the text sounded, to me, like she was pretending not to know what it was I was going to be doing and how important it is to me. She always oh-so-hilariously called it jiu-jitsu, because she disapproves of karate and it was her way of ridiculing it.

Was I wrong? AIBU to refuse to go?

(sorry for lengthy epistle and thank you if you slogged through to the end)

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diddl · 21/03/2017 09:09

No, don't go.

Went tits up when you tried for your son's sake-& well done for that!

Liiinoo · 21/03/2017 09:12

It seems unanimous but I am going to chime in too. Don't go, follow your instincts. Ignore her texts, don't engage with her mind games. You seem to have built a good life for yourself, don't let her mess it up.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 21/03/2017 09:15

She might well be trying to "build bridges" with this lunch, but deep in your heart you know that this bridge will have a hidden trapdoor right over the deepest fastest bit of the toxic river flowing underneath it.

brickinitIam · 21/03/2017 09:16

My advice?

If you want to continue NC with your mother, that's your choice. You have your reasons.
But, resist the urge to criticize her in front of your son.
At the end of the day she is his Grandmother and he may have an entirely different relationship with her than the one you had with your mother.
Sometimes the worst mothers can make fairly good Grandmothers.
Maybe they reach a point in their lives where it hits them that they've screwed up and they try to make amends? Confused Who knows.

My mother hated her mother and I grew up listening to the insults and she tried to draw me into hating her as well, which confused the hell out of me as my grandmother was alright with me.

Don't be that mother.

Sunnysky2016 · 21/03/2017 09:16

My mother has form for this- everything is turned around to be about her. We've been nc for 8 months and it's been so much easier

RaspberryOverloadsOnChilli · 21/03/2017 09:20

Does your DS actually know all about what you've suffered? He may need to have a good account or he might try this again in a misguided attempt at reconciliation.

He needs to know your mother isn't going to change and that you and your siblings are NC/lc for damned good reason.

I think you've made the right choice not to go.

Shodan · 21/03/2017 09:23

I'm confused as to why you would even consider giving her another chance.

Me too, tbh, Chris Blush All I can say is that I had 45 years of being conditioned to put her 'needs' first- bucking the trend meant one was 'selfish', 'a bully' ( she's mighty fond of calling other people bullies) and other such names. I was a very shy and sensitive kid and I very badly wanted her approval (she ensured that my self-esteem was at rock bottom)

You're all right- if she weren't my mother, I would've cut her out decades ago.

I can't thank you all enough for replying-it's firmed my resolve so much.

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brickinitIam · 21/03/2017 09:23

Does your DS actually know all about what you've suffered? He may need to have a good account or he might try this again in a misguided attempt at reconciliation.

Good idea.
However, it's still his decision whether he wishes to have a relationship with her. Or not.

Shodan · 21/03/2017 09:31

brickinitIam and RaspberryOverloadsOnChilli- I have given ds1 a brief explanation of why I have no contact with her, but not the unabridged version. He does know about abusive brother- the whole family now does. (It turns out he also sexually abused one of my other brothers). I have been torn between trying to ensure that she doesn't screw up his life too (and she would, given half the chance) and giving him what he seems to want- a grandparent who is his (both his paternal grandparents are dead, as is his father. My own father died in September). I've told him that as an adult (he's 21) he is welcome to see her on his own, but that I won't facilitate it.

She might well be trying to "build bridges" with this lunch, but deep in your heart you know that this bridge will have a hidden trapdoor right over the deepest fastest bit of the toxic river flowing underneath it.

This describes it so well, thank you BreakfastAtSquiffanys.

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EssentialHummus · 21/03/2017 09:44

A lunch with this woman would be concentrated one to one abuse.

Yup. Don't bother. Don't allow for the possibility that she has changed/come to her senses/turned into a decent mother. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, she hasn't.

Good luck with your grading. (I did goju-ryu karate for seven years and am itching to go back!)

Shodan · 21/03/2017 09:50

Thank you, EssentialHummus! The club I train with is actually a combination of goju-ryu and Shotokan. I would heartily recommend getting back into it if you can (let's face it, sparring sure helps with letting out bad feelings! Grin)

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emmyrose2000 · 21/03/2017 09:53

Please, please, cut this toxic waste of space out of your life permanently and forever. Ditto out of your kids' lives too. Even without any of the other stuff, anyone who would defend a rapist (son/brother) is not right in the head.

Don't respond to the text. Just don't turn up.

redshoeblueshoe · 21/03/2017 09:54

Good luck with your grading. See I know zilch about karate - but it didn't kill me to type that. Grin
Another vote for NC, its so much better than having her drag you down.

RaspberryOverloadsOnChilli · 21/03/2017 09:54

Shodan good luck with the grading. My DS just got his brown/white belt for Jujitsu at 13 and now has to move to seniors. He's contemplating either Shotokan Karate or judo as well, the club does a good range of disciplines 😀

cauliwobbles · 21/03/2017 12:07

You're never going to get what you want deep down inside from her, you'll just get more pain and self doubt, NC is better for your mental health sometimes.

ChrisYoungFuckingRocks · 21/03/2017 14:32

Shodan - I understand, I really do. For 45 years my dad didn't give a toss about me or my mom. Largely because of him my mom is dead. It was always my sister. Now her kids are the most wonderful beings on earth, and he has never once asked me about my kids, and they're 8. I quite honestly don't bother talking to him. It helps that he's literally on the other side of the planet from me (I'm UK and he's in SA). I won't even waste the money on airfare to go to his funeral when he dies.

ChrisYoungFuckingRocks · 21/03/2017 14:36

Oh, and good luck with your grading Grin. I used to do Tae Kwon Do and kickboxing, and I'd love to get back into it. I tried to get my DTDs interested in karate, but thanks to an absolute asshole of a sensei they lost all interest (he put complete beginners against brown/purple belts, and called the younger ones 'stupid little brats').

Shodan · 21/03/2017 15:51

Thanks again everyone, I really appreciate your help Smile

That's a shame about your DTDs ChrisYoung- the sensei sounds like a tosser! It does happen unfortunately. Although I will say- it's standard in our club for beginners to spar the higher grades; the reason being that they have supposedly learned some control, unlike the lower grades. But they are supposed to adjust their sparring in line with the grade they're sparring.

Anyway. I'm taking my own thread off course here Grin

There's no way I'm going to go for lunch with my mother. Any faint doubts in my mind have been chased away by your support.

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Hissy · 21/03/2017 16:15

She isn't even pretending to care. "Whatever it is" is proof in black and white.

Leave it there and one day she'll be dead and you'll all be free.

Please love the life you deserve, not the existence she'd have you live if under her command.

You know she's the same nasty person she always was.

MumW · 21/03/2017 16:45

Cut her loose. Your son gave her an olive branch and she threw it in your face. She hasn't changed.

Shodan · 21/03/2017 16:50

I think that's what annoyed me the most, Hissy. Surely, if you really wanted to be back in your daughter's life, you'd at least pretend to care? It felt dismissive (your interests are irrelevant to MEEEEE) and almost...I don't know-smug? Arrogant? ("I don't have to remember the details of your life, because I'm so important).

I've no doubt I'll hear all about her hurt feelings from someone. Fortunately I have at least one brother and my sister to rant to, they being no contact with her also. Needless to say, I don't speak to abusive brother-but there is one who keeps trying to earnestly explain and excuse her actions to me. Alright for him: she hasn't been anywhere near as vile to him, ever.

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Hissy · 21/03/2017 17:13

I asked mine why she'd moved house and kept me out of the loop

She said "well we were never really that close"

She's apparently wept all over my golden child sister that she's devastated I have cut her from my life, well mostly my ds...

But never quite devastated enough to actually apologise or work towards making up for the many things she's said and done...

The fact seemingly normal people think her behaviour is kind of ok, and I get no more support or consideration than my mother hurts. It really bloody hurts.

Your m and her flying monkeys in the brothers aren't ever going to see it. You'll sadly never get that satisfaction of having your side accepted. There will be no relief, no balance no alleviation. It's shit. I wish there were some way to feel better, but we have always been let down by these people and that hole is always there.

The way we carry on is to try to fill the hole ourselves. Being kind to ourselves and reminding ourselves that we didn't deserve what has been done/said to us.

Mother's Day is the crappiest day, unless we claim it for ourselves and spend the day with our children or doing something we love to do.

I hope you seriously get to kick some arse on your Mother's Day! Go get your belt and we wanna pictures!! ((Hug)))

FaithAgain · 21/03/2017 17:31

Has anyone suggested your Mother might be narcissistic? She sounds like my MIL who I suspect is narcissistic (everything on her terms, never accepts responsibility for her actions, very manipulative).

Shodan · 21/03/2017 22:21

She certainly ticks a lot of the boxes, Faith. Apparently our family doctor (many years ago, when I was still a child) also wanted her assessed for paranoid schizophrenia and other mental disorders. This led to her taking us all, bar my dad, to another doctors' surgery.

Hissy my mother is always devastated when she does something wrong! The fact that she could very easily have chosen not to do it wrong passes her by completely. But of course, it's a double whammy for her- not only does she get to hurt one of her children deeply, she also gets to try and garner sympathy from anyone who'll listen to her sob stories. Unsurprisingly, she has no friends, no husband-no one to listen to her.

My staunchest supporter was my dad- the man she tried so hard to poison me against. She told me so many lies (including that he'd tried to abort me by forcing her to drink a bottle of vodka) and for a while I believed her. But she failed in the end and I was able to really enjoy my relationship with him for two and a half decades until he died in September. And he carried on supporting me then, by cutting abusive brother out of his will. Apparently she was furious (and DEVASTATED, of course!) by this. She was also disgruntled because she didn't 'get anything' from him- the man she divorced 35 years ago and never stopped bitching about to us.

Ach. And now I'm wondering even more what possessed me to even contemplate having lunch with her! For a woman who will happily spar the biggest opponents in karate, I can be an awful wuss when it comes to dealing with her Grin

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ChrisYoungFuckingRocks · 21/03/2017 22:54

I can be an awful wuss when it comes to dealing with her

Sometimes you have to toast that marshmallow inside and be tough. Some people don't deserve our love/affection etc.

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