To ask a question of th grammar school supporters on here?

[BertrandRussell]

If selective education is so effective, why don't wholly selective areas get significantly better GCSE results than wholly comprehensive ones?

sashh

I was giving county figures for all schools - some of which are in special measures. I would rather we didn't have grammars! In Bucks if you want individual schools then it's anything from 100% down

And he did play bert, Quite a lot, but he didn't want to do the same boring dressing up games for 2 hours every single day when he could be doing other stuff. They had lots of other opportunities to play which my son was more than happy to engage in. No year 1 child needs to do dressing up for 10 hours every single week for a whole school year during the school day in order to be socialised and learn to be imaginative.

Ours definitely do have difficult pupils causing disruption and bullying.

Both are dealt with well though.

" I went to a grammar school but didn't do particularly well, because I simply did not want to put the time and effort into trying to do well"

That's slack disipline on the schools part. If you arsed about at my grammar school, they slung you out. The word excluded was whispered. You knew not to take the piss. But then again nearly every teacher had trained during the troubles, a few had done phd's, or had work experience in their subjects during what was essentially a civil war, and they took no shit, no tolerance for nonsense. I was nearly excluded for being suspected of smoking while in uniform. One young teacher had went to the school herself, was fab and a great laugh, but she would line us up, make us sit on our knees, and measure skirts, just like they did in her day (she often made girls take there make up off too). She had this look that sort of said "just try me" .

I just think that if people are really honest, they want grammars for their children as a way of avoiding "difficult" pupils That is a fair point and reasonable justification. Perhaps if schools were allowed to bring back expulsion for badly behaved pupils then things would be different.

My dc is extremely bright (reading and writing before starting school, very articulate, very stem subject orientated) and their primary school and "one size fits all education" completely failed them And that is why we need grammar schools.

I feel children like mine at the bright end of the scale have as much right to a tailored education as at the other end of the spectrum Yes, even more so because of the benefit to the country.

My suggestion is that the govt fund all schools adequately to ensure that every child can get a decent education And yet when government tries to raise progressive taxes to pay for it everyone is up in arms. The irony of the arch socialist JC opposing a progressive tax is just mind blowing.

How about stop throwing money at people and families who don't want to engage with education and support those that do Thats the way forward.

But I'm not going wah wah wah about them getting extra support. Im saying my child got NONE

Exactly what support were the other children given during the 25 films?

You're mixing me up with another poster

NI hasn't had a comprehensive system, so it is the perfect comparison.

In England and Wales, the ebbing educational tide in the 70s and after lowered ALL ships.

It just happened fairly slowly.

the class did dress up and play house every afternoon for 2 hours
Yeah right