Pro Rata Salary question

[pinkstinks]

If you saw a job advertised at £25000 pro rata 28 hours per week, when you received your offer letter and it told you your annual take home salary, what would you expect this to be?

Thanks in advance!

Because the job advert also needs to give a full time week in order to calculate that pro rats salary?

I was on that thread Ivy saying that the OP had a point. I said it's like being asked to solve a question like 4 + ? = ? .

Basically , you need three elements to work it out. You need the Full time Salary, the full time hours and the part time hours. Or they could simply state the part time salary and hours and cut out the calculations.

True, they should have.

I didn't think it would be significantly higher. £800 a year so not a lot f difference per month.

I fully understand different places have different hours. And should have asked/looked into this. Clearly it's my fault

Here is how I once had it worked out for a part time job in education - but it was term time only, so it is not an exact equivalent.

The pay scale for a term contract (the formula for which is part time hours/full time equivalent hours x weeks worked per year /weeks available to work each year x full time equivalent salary – which equates to:

30/37.5 x 44.6 / 52.143 x £26000 = £17,791 per annum – included in the formula is a pro rata figure for holiday entitlement).

pink, no, I wouldn't say it's your fault, they should have made it clearer , yes you shouldn't have assumed, but if they had made it clear then there wouldn't have been any confusion.

I hope you get it sorted out - you can use the info on here to back up your enquiry.

17.5K is 0.7 of 25K, and 28hrs is 0.7 of 40hrs, so it looks right when calculated like that. Does the 28hrs include lunch breaks? It looks like they've given you 4x7hr days without including the lunchbreak, whereas the ft equiv is 5x7hrs + lunchbreaks.

Lots of people calculate these things wrongly.

If a ft person is working 8hrs a day inc lunch, then you should be getting the 4 lunchbreaks included in your hours, bringing your 28hrs up to 32hrs for the proper pro rata. They have to calculate both things the same way including the same things.

Also, I used a site like this www.thesalarycalculator.co.uk/prorata.php to give me some idea.

I had the same horrid realisation as you OP - having already handed in my notice. I was able to find another similar job but it was awful for a while.

Gather all the information you can - you have had some great advice.

Well, £800 a year after tax etc is about £45+ extra a month. That's worth having OP.

For the figures given the pro rata would be £18810 for the current job and £18,918 for the new job if worked it out on a 37 hour week so £108 difference per year before tax

If you understand the concept of pro rata, why can't you grasp that different companies have different working weeks? Not every job is 9 to 5, eight hours per day?

But how was she meant to work it out when they didn't tell her the full time hours. It could be anything from 30 to 40 hours

Different hours though hamster.

turbo going by OPs figures it looks like the old job was maybe a 36 hour full time job and unless she is working shorter days than other staff, this one should be a 35 hour job, so going roughly from 29/36 to 28/35.

I don;t think it is your fault OP unless as well as working a 4 day week instead of a 5 day week, you are working shorter days than the full time staff. You are working 80% of the week you should be expecting 80% of the salary.

It sounds like their full time week is 35 hours and they have either misstated the full time salary as a salary at 40 hours (which is not their full time week) or they've screwed up in calculating their offer to you. Get back to them.

Something to bear in mind when you talk to them - Are they also intending working out your holiday entitlement on the basis of a 40 hour week instead of a 35 hour one? So you'll have less than 80% of the holidays the full time staff have?

Tell them the salary isn't enough for you. If they won't budge, don't panic. You can take the job and start looking for something more straight away. Or you if you've only just handed in your notice and you're on good terms at your old job, you may be able to get your job back with them or at least get your notice extended so you can find another position. IT doesn't have to be a total disaster.

So - the full salary is 28000.

You are being offered 17500

That is 62.5%

You are working 28 hours.

That implies a full time week of 44.8 hours.

That is quite a long full time week tbh.

No, the full time salary is £25k - hours of work are 28.

Thanks all.
Something isn't right if they want to employ me on 4days a week with a fifth day off on 28 hours but then a week would be 40hours to get that figure (17.5 from 25)that would mean I would have to work 12 hours on a Friday if I worked them....

I will call them at 9am and I have had a good howl at my stupidity on the kitchen floor.

Thanks for all your help.

No sorry if I haven been clear...
Full time hours is 25000
Job is 28hours a week
That is all information I was given

oh - I misread.

Full time 25k
Being paid 17.5
Fraction is .7
28 hours - implies full week is 40.

It would be very unusual for a small charity to have working hours over 35. Just call them tomorrow and ask them to clarify. Sounds like someone has made a mistake.

I work in the charity sector too.

As others have said: It's very clearly calculating the salary on a 40 hour week. Why is there still a discussion? 25,000/40 x 28 = 17,500. Since this isn't an unusual figure it is unlikely to me a mistake (though you can ask).

OP- Ask your current employer to withdraw your notice. If they haven't advertised and they value you, they will say yes.

You will have to eat crow, but it's worth it. You could give the reason as having realised how much you value the job you are in. Out of courtesy you should probably leave it a while before applying for other jobs if they say yes.

Be quick.

Sounds dodgy if it is actually a 4 day a week job. That would definitely be 80% then and a 20k salary.

Aww OP, chip up. It actually does sound like an error now we've all been through the calculations. Just have all the info straight before you call.

You want to know what the full time hours are. If they say 35, then let them know that they've calculated salary wrong in the letter and it should be 20k based on the advertised salary of 25k

If they say 40 hours then explain that they are paying you for 4 part time days and was that what they meant as you were expecting to simply work 4 days from 5, not 4 part time days and that the salary isn't enough.

It sounds as if they forgot you need lunch breaks. So they're working on you doing a 7 hr day 4 days a week whereas fulltime is 8hrs a day 5 days a week. Just ask them to clarify what their fulltime hours are, whether the breaks are paid or unpaid and as Boom says, how are they calculating holiday?

You should be on a .8 contract but they appear to be paying .7.

Yes you should go back and say to them you are working 80% of the working week and thus salary shoukd be £20k