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amispartacus · 02/03/2017 17:26

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2864604-FAKE-news-LIES-fake-lies-We-need-the-Trump-Oracle?msgid=67323987

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GingerIvy · 03/03/2017 17:57

POLITICO‏Verified account @politico 8m8 minutes ago
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Pence team downplays private email account usage politi.co/2lDd4Kz

GingerIvy · 03/03/2017 17:58

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 3m3 minutes ago
We should start an immediate investigation into @SenSchumer and his ties to Russia and Putin. A total hypocrite! pic.twitter.com/Ik3yqjHzsA

cozietoesie · 03/03/2017 18:00

Schumer called for Sessions' resignation did he not?

amispartacus · 03/03/2017 18:09

Bless - but isn't Trump and his administration the ones in charge.

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Natsku · 03/03/2017 18:15

Is there anyone on Trump's team that isn't crooked in some way?!

Natsku · 03/03/2017 18:15

Tory ministers confirm plan to axe housing benefit for 18-21s. On a quiet Friday

No surprise there from the Tory bastards.

GingerIvy · 03/03/2017 18:23

The Hill‏Verified account @thehill 13s13 seconds ago
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Trump takes Rubio on Air Force One hill.cm/lq59Hhk

That explains a lot.

AcrossthePond55 · 03/03/2017 18:23

@realDonaldTrump 3m3 minutes ago
We should start an immediate investigation into @SenSchumer and his ties to Russia and Putin. A total hypocrite! pic.twitter.com/Ik3yqjHzsA

See this is what pisses me off. You've been caught red handed up to your elbow in the cookie jar. And your answer is to point a finger at someone who caught you and say "Not me!!! Look at him!!!!".

GingerIvy · 03/03/2017 18:26

Across Exactly. He just doesn't understand the idea that his staff LIED about it, so obviously had something to hide.

cozietoesie · 03/03/2017 18:34

He's using attack as a defensive manoeuvre. It was to be expected.

amispartacus · 03/03/2017 18:34

See this is what pisses me off. You've been caught red handed up to your elbow in the cookie jar. And your answer is to point a finger at someone who caught you and say "Not me!!! Look at him

And to say - well, they sneaked on me. Attack the person who sneaked on me.

They did it.

I could have given a better answer.

It's fake news.

In a Tom Clancy book, the US President discovers his best friend had links to some drug dealers. Rather than lie, the President tells the truth. He gave them nowhere to go as he just told the truth.

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amispartacus · 03/03/2017 18:35

A great comedy sketch would be to have a young Donald Trump.

Donald, your mum says she saw you chop down the apple tree. Did you?

I am sure you can complete the rest of the sketch.

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GingerIvy · 03/03/2017 18:36

Chuck Schumer‏Verified account
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Chuck Schumer Retweeted Donald J. Trump
Happily talk re: my contact w Mr. Putin & his associates, took place in '03 in full view of press & public under oath. Would you &your team?

HelsinkiLights · 03/03/2017 18:36

Does anyone know if Trump's election campaign allegedly received donations from the Russian government & can prove it?
Obviously undercover through a trail of people/businesses/institutions real & fake.
Done in such a way that nobody would notice unless you were someone really astute & good at making connections that others can't see & get their head around.
Just to like to add this is 'just a maybe it's too way out there' random musing which came from misunderstanding a link which suddenly made me start thinking about something that then lead to the above.

GingerIvy · 03/03/2017 18:38

There are people working on that Helsinki that appear to be nailing some things down slowly to give to Congress.

cozietoesie · 03/03/2017 18:38

Deliberately not a cherry tree, ami? Wink

GingerIvy · 03/03/2017 18:39

Charlie Warzel‏Verified account @cwarzel 34m34 minutes ago
17 hrs ago from an Infowars Editor. And 10 minutes ago from POTUS pic.twitter.com/L0c64R2RTp

GingerIvy · 03/03/2017 18:43

Chris Geidner‏Verified account @chrisgeidner 19h19 hours ago
Interesting: Today's DOJ filing in a ban EO case ~really~ pulls back on any discussion of timing of a new EO. assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3480267/PARS-DOJ-Opp.pdf … pic.twitter.com/0Z2SApDNTg

After originally saying a new ban EO would be coming last week, then this week, it now looks like we'll keep waiting into next week.

@SHSanders45 had no guidance on the timing of the new travel/refugee EO, per pool, from gaggle on Air Force One on the way to Orlando.

(Sanders is Temp Barbie)

GingerIvy · 03/03/2017 18:44

#resist & #persist‏ @hmbryan 1m1 minute ago
Jeff Sessions Has Stepped Aside on Russia. Here’s Who Could Step In. nyti.ms/2lFqpTh

amispartacus · 03/03/2017 18:45

Chuck Schumer‏Verified account @SenSchumer 21m21 minutes ago
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Chuck Schumer Retweeted Donald J. Trump
Happily talk re: my contact w Mr. Putin & his associates, took place in '03 in full view of press & public under oath. Would you &your team?

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 03/03/2017 18:55

Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
We should start an immediate investigation into @SenSchumer and his ties to Russia and Putin. A total hypocrite!

In response:

Armando Iannucci‏ @Aiannucci
Unthinking President reveals he thinks that anyone with ties to Putin should be investigated.

PausingFlatly · 03/03/2017 19:08

(I'm following up on someone's link to an Indy article above.)

This is a masterclass in dealing with fake news.

The FT has taken claims made by Ted Malloch has made about his career and investigated them one by one.
www.ft.com/content/ce317948-efbb-11e6-930f-061b01e23655

Ted Malloch hopes to be ambassador to the EU. When the FT article came out, he went on Breitbart to whine that people were being mean to him, to repeat some of his discredited claims and make new ones.

So the FT dealt with those as well...

cozietoesie · 03/03/2017 19:14

They surely did. Smile

HelsinkiLights · 03/03/2017 19:18

Ginger humour me please.
There are banks that call themselves an ethical bank as they do not have any dealings with companies that have their business involved the arms industry, business involved in harming the environment etc
So one would be correct in thinking that the opposite is true & therefore is it not too unreasonable to think some banks may have be deeply involved with say the arms industry to a point that say an arms dealer or arms business may own part of said bank. And that this arms dealer/business may have links to something very sinister that could involve certain governments and/or something that would be condemned by organisations like the UN & also condemned by most countries.
Something like the arms dealing owner of this bank may be financing/has financed the military/weaponry of country A who is currently annexing/has annexed part of country B & country A may have accidentally caused the death of a few hundred people from country C.
So bank may decided to scratch a few backs of high ranking people in country C using the guise of helping out in order to cover up & meddle.
And this bank gives loans to certain businesses & their owners maybe at very special rates. I'll scratch your back once but you will scratch may back whenever I call or this may happen.......

I have a vivid imagination but if you look hard enough you will find truth however unpalatable or far fetched it may be.

PausingFlatly · 03/03/2017 19:19

"Does anyone know if Trump's election campaign allegedly received donations from the Russian government & can prove it?"

Well, the Rachel Maddows piece linked way above shows DJT himself received $60 million in 2008 (or thereabouts), just when he needed money. He'd bought a mansion for $40 million and it had sat empty for two years. Then someone paid him $100 million for it (and it sat empty again).

The "someone" was Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev, who is a major shareholder in the Bank in Cyprus, whose other major shareholder, Wilbur Ross is an American who, oh, has just been made US Commerce Secretary.

Of course that's not proving 45's campaign received money, it's just an example of how money can be funnelled to someone.