pay nanny slightly less if she brings own child to work?

[msatlantis]

In the process of sorting childcare for when I return to work. First child so haven't done it before.

Two nannies I like.

The first has a LO almost 3 years old which she would like to bring to work with her. She did this in her previous post and said it worked well. Her rate is £10 ph net - so I guess about £15 an hour gross.

The second nanny is older. Children grown up. Her rate is actually slightly less than the first.

AIBU to think £10 net ph is a bit much for a nanny who is bringing their own child to work? She won't have child care costs and my LO won't have her sole attention.

If I decide to go with her is it acceptable to try and negotiate this down a little bit?

I expect Nannies are covered in the same way - however like the rest of us they are expected to sort child care outside of the work place. Unless they can negotiate something else.

I wouldn't go with a shared. Too many potential issues (what if the kids don't get on?), the other child might resent having to come to your house all the time, your child might not like having a permanent play date i.e. no quiet down time, or privacy.

It just adds in another complication which you can avoid with the other nanny.

Xeno I think it depends how you ask. We dealt with it by a probation period and regular reviews as to how it was going - I arranged enough overlap so I saw the nanny regularly and could just keep up with how things were going.

I didn't ask her to make alternative arrangements for her children when they were sick, she just did so and managed it very professionally.

£15 per hour...Bloomington heck, I pay £3 per hour for a childminder.

But how many other children does the childminder care for? And do you get to call the shots eg you can prescribe what activities they do, what food is cooked, what child based chores (washing/tidying children's rooms etc) are done.

Interesting question xenophile .

If a nanny doesn't bring her child to work then I can't see why the standard anti-discrimination rules wouldn't apply, ie an employer shouldn't ask. Same goes for asking if she plans on having children - not acceptable.

If a nanny wants to bring her child to work then I would imagine it is acceptable to ask about arrangements.
Maybe the employer shouldn't ask "do you have backup childcare?" but "I don't want your child to be brought to my house when he is unwell, what do you want to do for these days?"

Happy to be corrected if I am wrong!

Out of interest, are nannies all expected to be childless?

No. they are expected to sort out childcare like anyone else. I'm a GP - my child doesn't sit in the corner of my consulting room while I work!

Just go with the other one.

Childminder totally totally different to a nanny though. Wouldn't dream of being a nanny but loved being a child minder. No comparison.

Op I would go for the child free one.

For goodness sake.
She is a professional offering her services at a good rate. Trial it.
If it doesn't work out then go with another option.
Or go with the other nanny anyway.

Not really.

a childminder is a professional offering her services.

A nanny is a professional applying for a job alongside other applicants.

If she were applying for a job at a nursery would she expect to be able to take her own child along for free?

No, she might get a reduced rate etc etc but the relationship is the same. It's between employer & employee.

And always agree gross. I work in payroll & there are so many reasons why someone tax code might change from having underpaid in a previous job, taking in a second job, having a spouse who doesn't earn enough so transfers part of their allowance etc & that's without the added complication of auto enrolment pensions.

Nah - not worth the saving or hassle.
you do realise your child will always be second fiddle in their own house under her watch? her child will always, always come first.

Imo age gap is too big. 3 yr old needs different toys to 1 year old, perhaps no naps, prob won't be able to go to baby styles classes

Agree about gross with pension very least you can expect to pay is £10 month and their £30 so it's £480 year payrisr already it's likely to be higher that was when I looked for my bracket.

Mumzypopz - the child under could be earning £15 an hour if they have five children to care for.

Also ask her what her plans will be when her child starts school. Will she want to take yr child on the school run? Is that feasible?

"Out of interest, are nannies all expected to be childless?"

No - but nannies are the only job I am aware of where it is considered acceptable to bring your child to work. Questioning them about their arrangements is relating to whether they can do the job they are going to be employed to do

I interviewed a nanny with her own child and she suggested she would accept less than the standard rate for our area, however I was put off because she expected us to buy a double buggy, and that her child would eat the same meals etc that we'd provide. I felt it wasn't going to work well or equally or benefit our DC. However if a nanny I knew well who we have previously employed wanted to come back to work with her baby I would happily work with her to make it work as I know and trust her.

15.00 per hour gross seems rather high for someone bringing their own child with them. If you particularly want this nanny I would not be offering this.

Thanks all for your replies.

My LO is only 9 months at the moment, so there is quite an age gap.

General consensus seems to be that the older nanny may be less problematic.
And I didn't think about a lot of the issues that might arise with nanny's child (wear and tear, food, behaviour issues etc.)
The older nanny is less expensive anyway. I think we will go with the older nanny. But thanks all for your input, gave me a lot of food for thought!

Nanny that has grown up children seems much less hassle all round. I would go with her.

Oh sorry, just see your update. Yes, go with older nanny! Good luck.

Why are you considering her when youve the other cheaper nanny without a child.