Naice...

[OpalFruitsMarathonsandSpira]

... "It makes my teeth itch". This will start a "bun fight" because the op is a "goady" fucker.

AIBU to interpret this as just MN version of the hashtag, or bffs or lols or hun?

I see certain fads sweeping through and I find it interesting. If it is different, what is the difference?

couldn't agree with you more op

naice and vair get right on my nerves, fucking pretentious shite

But 'naice' and 'vair' are taking the piss out of pretentious shit surely?

no I think the people who use vair and naice are trying to let us know they are the posh middle class that they are trying to make fun of. like its sooo funny

But never that's the whole point. "Naice" isn't a straight swap for nice. It means middle-class, pretentious, try-too-hard, bit wanky, slightly ridiculous, nice. I don't think there's a single word for that in the dictionary but I'm happy to be corrected

Naice is hardly a fad!
I think the naice ham list was about 12 years ago.

Surely you mean evolution, Pict?

And 'Rivals' (the Jilly book) was published in 1988.

Her book 'Class' which pointed out the characteristics was even earlier than that.

I'm always a bit confused about how you would pronounce naice. I can't think of a way that doesn't sound utterly stupid.

Does a bun fight mean people are going to start throwing buns at each other? Not heard this phrase in Australia.

I have got RL people using naice to describe something that's a bit better than nice

No...I mean devolution. I made the same mistake here myself once and was very rudely put right by someone who wanted to argue with me that 'hubby' is the most heinous term imaginable.

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Conservapedia:Devolution_of_language

It makes me laugh. I only saw it on here . A post about 'naice' ham. I have a picture in my mind of the sort of person that would buy 'naice' ham (no one I know!!!). I am not bothered by people saying 'hon' but don't like 'totes' or 'amazeballs' or such like.

The naice thing-although she did not speak like that- reminds me of my dad's boss' wife. She came from humble beginnings but her letters to mum were full of buying things and how much they cost. Everything was 'little'. " I bought a lovely little dress from..." Either John Lewis or M&S. "I am looking for a little top"..

P.s I think of it as evolution too.

I suppose fad is a subjective term Phil.

I'm sure "lol" has been around that long but I still consider that a fad.

In fact, my good friend Ms G. Oogle has just confirmed it originated in the mid 80's.

I can't show sources now, but surely naice and vair have been around for many decades - because I'm pretty sure I've learnt these words out of, like, Golden Age detective stories. The detective at some point always speaks to someone who has notions above his/her station who affects an upperclass accent and gets it slightly wrong (I assume) so it's a bit obvious. A little later in the conversation the mask slips a bit and haitches start being dropped. So when I lurked here I recognized the words immediately and I do not think it's a MN invention, but using them can be a MN "thing".

I think they're quite perfect for invoking a certain idea, viz. the naice butcher above. Reading this thread is interesting because it's clear not everyone is agreed on what this idea is. Lols. (sic)

banivani I agree - it reminds me of a technique I learnt to use when communication is breaking down:

Person 1: says something
Person 2: I heard you say, "..."
Person 1: clarifies the correct and incorrect interpretations person 2 has made.

Very insightful and useful!

what does (sic) mean?

It means you need the dacta brap!

I really like 'naice' but perhaps that's because I'm relatively new to MN so it's still novel to me

you've lost me opal

(Sic) usually means you have quoted something you know is wrong but are quoting in the same way as original context.

The dacta brap? Too bad Opal you're stuck now in a loop of explanations ... Agree on communications technique as useful but doubt it'll catch on on forums. ;)

Also wanted to add that I think people on a forum that unironically uses the DH/DC etc acronyms so ubiquitously need to be veeeeery careful about being snotty about other language choices. In terms of sounding daft the DH/DC thing is right up there with hubby and hunz, in my personal opinion to which I am entitled so there. I don't care how easy it is to type. (Wait a moment while I don my flame-proof armour before you go off on me.)

banivani

I guess it's just a silly thing we did when I worked in a cosmopolitan city restaurant making fun of accents (everyone's including our own) and saying brap brap brap! Dacta would be an accented doctor, innit?!

Maybe more of a localised-to-that-dining-mall thing than I realised!