To think that we don't need a London Modest Fashion week??

[Cherrysoup]

Given that we're not living in the Victorian era?

Wish there was a big boobs fashion week...

Chippednailvarnish, I don't think that those Hasidic (?) women are dressed modestly. Modesty implies a certain kind of humility, not drawing attention to yourself, it's more than just being covered up. That's why the term Modest Fashion is such an oxymoron.

I know Silently.

As I posted upthread the definition of modest includes reference to impropriety and indecency. Which isn't a label to apply to women's clothing.

I support any woman's right to wear what they want Bill. That's the bloody point.

I think it should be named the week of not-so-outrageously-stupid fashions.
I mean I am far more likely to wear a normal skirt than a couple of rags of random nature on my body in the name of fashion?
sorry I am no help

Or it could of course just become part of normal London fashion week. Where religion and moral judgements are disregarded and the clothes speak for themselves.

Chippednailvarnishing those women are not accepted by mainstream orthodox jewry. They are a tiny minority, who choose to wear that black garb themselves, quite frequently against their husband's wishes. (So it is not a male imposed code of dress but a personal choice).They are considered to be fairly cultist. The general consensus is that wearing this kind of garb is attention seeking and by definition therefore immodest. They do not represent orthodox Jewish women.
The way modest dress was explained to me was that the aim is to look attractive but not attracting. Look good for yourself, not for others.
For all those saying finding non revealing clothes on the high street I'd easy in my experience it is very very difficult on a budget. To find skirts that are below the knee, that are not slit, or so tight they reveal every curve and smart too, is a real challenge. Throw financial considerations in and it's almost impossible! I think this fashion week is a great idea if it brings new, alternative styles to the market.

If it was called 'london slutty fashion week' I'm sure more people would have a problem....

Also it's pretty offensive to women who choose to dress modestly for religious reasons to assume that they do so because they have been coerced/ brainwashed to do so by men or by their society they live in. Women are able to think for themselves, even in a religious community and make the decision for themselves to choose to dress 'modestly'. (Modestly here meaning within the rules of their religion). Many highly educated religious women choose to wear traditional modest garb bc they have decided to do so. Maybe some of them ARE judging the way other women dress as immodest. Or (more likely) maybe they are really minding their own business and just trying to follow their lives as they see fit, staging an event for their culture and way of life. The only judging I'm seeing in this thread are from the people who are outraged at the use of the word 'modest' as judgmental..........

Ugh, like other posters, I find the term "modest" used for clothes highly offensive.

Considering what "fashion" usually means, I would be in favour of a "Sensible Fashion Week" with clothes that one can actually wear and that are appropriate to the weather.

But as a woman who likes to cover up as to not cater to the male gaze and be actually comfortable, I resent the word "modest".

I am not modest. I flaunt the fact that I don't have to cater to the male gaze to make a living. That's showing off.

those women are not accepted by mainstream orthodox jewry

So? I posted the picture to show the people complaining that non- Muslims shouldn't be concerning themselves with LMFW that different religions do infact dress similarly. Just look at how some eastern orthodox Christians dress.

To repeat what I have already said, i couldn't careless how people dress, but I object to labeling clothes as modest.

The only judging I'm seeing in this thread are from the people who are outraged at the use of the word 'modest' as judgmental..........

It is judgmental. It's a loaded term. There's really no getting away from it.

Yes, 'Slutty Fashion Week' would also be a rather loaded term, of course.

It's by definition judging women's moral (and thereby worth) by what they are wearing.
Wrong in any context IMO.

People keep saying organisers should call it Muslim Fashion Week, but no business wants to limit themselves to one demographic. They want to make these clothes mainstream.

What do people suggest they call instead of Modest? London Covered-Up Fashion Week? London Full Sleeve and Long Skirted Fashion Week?

Just include it in London fashion week.

Maybe London Modiste Fashion Week would work

But Chipped , it may then not attract one of the main demographics - those seeking modest clothing.

I also like think those clothes in the link are much too glamorous to ever be described as modest!

Are all of those other demographics attending the London Muslim Lifestyle Show then?

Sorry if that causes them a tricky marketing problem. But that doesn't make "modest" OK.

I do wonder how it would go if non-Muslims bought and wore the clothing as a ' fashion statement' . Would it be seen as cultural appropriation?

Chloe84, apart from not calling it Muslim fashion week the organisers are very much limiting themselves to one demographic. Have a look at their mission statement above, their target market is Muslims. Looking through the clothes sold by the organisers it's also very geared towards that market with more weight of abayas and hijabs over western style yet covered up clothing. And anyway, I don't think that not being arsed to think up another appropriate name aside from Muslim/ah or modest really makes it acceptable to use the term modest when it's offensive to so many other women.

chipped the organisers would neither qualify for nor be interested in British Fashion week. Elan Haute are a reseller along the lines of Amazon. They don't produce their own clothes, they resell the clothes of other designers/manufacturers. LFW is for designers to showcase so Elan Haute wouldn't qualify. And the designers that they resell could apply if they wanted, but as they're selling a niche product it would probably not be a cost effective or efficient way of increasing their exposure or sales which is why they're not interested.

At the end of the day, this is not some kind of empowering statement about Muslim women and the way they dress, it's a marketing tool designed to promote Elan Haute and flog their goods. And they just wouldn't be interested in being a little squib in LFW when they can make a big splash with their own week over which they have total control.

r it could of course just become part of normal London fashion week. Where religion and moral judgements are disregarded and the clothes speak for themselves.

^^ this x100.
It's funny how majority of such efforts are directed at clothes worn by women .modest or not.

Perhaps I'm thick because I still don't understand why the word modest is so controversial...if a person's interpretation of modest dress means only showing the hands and face (for example) it doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to look down on or judge someone who chooses to show more skin.
Can there be nothing in between modest and immodest?
Why is it not O.K for there to be different ideas on what constitutes modest dress?

Bill
I think you have nailed it. It's all about money and money only. I think it's a clever marketing g trick.