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MLM Bashing, why?

89 replies

bagpackbagpack · 16/02/2017 22:33

Sorry for the click bait in advance...

F me, we all hate MLM? But why is it still here?

4 posts I have seen in 3 hours where people have been scammed, I know the VAST majority of mumsnetters wouldn't ever dream of joining an MLM, BUT PEOPLE STILL DO! (Mums netter or not)

Its really frustrating.

AIBU to think the MLM should be banned. And we as a group of like minded people might be able to influence this in some way?

OP posts:
HopefulHamster · 20/08/2017 18:31

(By decent product I don't mean the entire brand, I mean I have found three FL things among the whole catalogue that I like, for example. My friend sells it)

leccybill · 20/08/2017 18:41

I know one who has just given up a career in teaching to do FL full time. Her fb page is full of meetings in Costa, and conferences but not one person 'likes' any of the photos or statuses. How can she be making any money? Surely we all recognise these products as duds by now?

Mulch · 20/08/2017 18:41

What's mlm stand for

Mulch · 20/08/2017 18:41

What's mlm stand for

Mulch · 20/08/2017 18:41

What's mlm stand for

StillDrivingMeBonkers · 20/08/2017 18:44

Out of curiosity, what's the difference between, say Avon/Betterware/Lakeland , all brochures which come through the door, or indeed Tupperware/Pippa Dee/Anne Summers parties to the other things you mention - Younique/Herbal Life/aloe vera diet pills.

As far as I'm aware all of those need an initial investment, require a certain level of sales, and the hope you're going to drag your mates in to also set up a round.

Nanny0gg · 20/08/2017 18:50

But if you can buy the products online what is the point of salespeople anyway?

Nanny0gg · 20/08/2017 18:51

Lakeland isn't a MLM - it's shops and online.

Tanith · 20/08/2017 19:00

Mulch: Multi Level Marketing. Wikipaedia has it about right:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_marketingg*

McBounty · 20/08/2017 19:04

I am a part of MLM. It's actually one of the best things I have done.

It's easy to think they're a pyramid scheme, annoying, disingenuous, unethical etc, when you have people on FB shoving products in your face and making false claims.

MLM isn't easy, but it's effective. It works, if you sit and actually educate yourself, learn about the best way to speak to people and be genuine! You have to sell something you absolutely believe in. When you see success, helping others achieve the same success is your absolute mission, particularly people that really need to work from home.

I make a lot of money and it's because I am good. I am not a fraud, I sell a tangible product that many, many people LOVE. There's also a charity based within the MLM company I am with and it makes it all that more special.

gamerchick · 20/08/2017 19:09

I make a lot of money

On the backs of the gullible.

McBounty · 20/08/2017 19:16

on the backs of the gullible

No, on the backs of others that are also making a lot of money. I work hard as a leader to make them in to leaders and earn as much, if not more than I do. We have people in our company that can earn more than their uplines.

LottieDoubtie · 20/08/2017 19:20

The product does not sell because you love it though does it?

I mean I love galaxy chocolate but my friends don't buy it off me because I love it.

It's that faux positivity thing that screams scam to me.

CoveredInFondant · 20/08/2017 19:23

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greendale17 · 20/08/2017 19:29

Lakeland isn't MLM and never has been.

You can only buy their products in their shops or online. Great store by the way

Tanith · 20/08/2017 19:36

That was the claim that really angered me: that buying Younique products would benefit abused women.

TheRealBiscuitAddict · 20/08/2017 19:47

The problem with MLM and the reason why people do get drawn in is because some of them have a decent product behind them, and some people do make money, so the claims made by the less desirable ones are not fraudulent but are strongly exaggerated but do have figures to back up some of the claims they make.

So for instance, I have a friend who did pampered chef for about nine years and actually made money doing it. She went on the holiday incentives, the money she earned gave her the opportunity to stay at home with her children while they were younger, and there were some decent and tangible products behind the brand. But like other MLM's most pampered chef consultants do not make a decent living from it but would likely still uphold the fact that there are some decent products available, which there are, even if they're largely very expensive, but then so is Lakeland and lakeland isn't an MLM so you don't have to be a fraud to have over-priced products iyswim?

By the same terms Avon and Ann Summers, Usborn (sp?) books, Phoenix cards etc are all also MLM's but have some products which people might want to buy, and most of them have been running for years so don't need to exploit people.

However then come the juice plus, the Herbalife and the foreverliving types who need to make their broad claims based on some alleged ingredient or fad or outcome, and you only need one or two people to give a positive testimonial for individuals to think that it works. And for the people who start out at the top the sales model does work for a period at least, by which time people have been sucked in.

And there will always be one who makes money so the model continues. I know someone who has made an absolute fortune out of Herbalife, and not only that, he's lost a phenomenal amount of weight which needed to happen for him. But because he's done this he's been able to quite legitimately sell the product to a multitude of other people. By the same token however I know people who have bought the foreverliving/juice plus model and who just spout the same stuff the probably one or two people they know spout, have lost friends into the bargain and have blocked everyone who disagrees with them. They will never make money, but truth is they will probably never make money at anything they do because they haven't bothered to find out the facts behind the rubbish they're pedalling, they're just so desperate to make money because they probably have no other skills that the social side alone is likely enough.

Uokbing · 20/08/2017 19:51

I make a lot of money and it's because I am good. I am not a fraud, I sell a tangible product that many, many people LOVE. There's also a charity based within the MLM company I am with and it makes it all that more special.

Is it Younique per chance? I don't know why anyone would love those.products because they are overpriced rubbish. Seriously none of the big beauty bloggers/youtubers/influencers think Younique is any good, mostly because it's not. Why would anyone buy absolutely pants make up that is no where near the good quality of even Make Up Revolution for the prices of ABH, Urban Decay and even more expensive that that?

leccybill · 20/08/2017 19:56

Ugh, younique mascara looks bloody awful. I wouldn't mind if it was £1 but it's expensive too.

StillDrivingMeBonkers · 20/08/2017 19:57

O/T Lakeland Plastics do have a catalogue - it comes through my door and goes right back out again

But my question is what constitutes a "bad" MLM as oppose to one that's been round so long it is accepted as "good" - for arguments sake - Avon.

So what is the difference between Younique and Avon? Both require initial outlay, both rely on hard sell approach, both have social media sellers.

Winebomb · 20/08/2017 20:03

All I know is the more I research MLM the more hate it.

It's seriously bordering on pyramid scheme. And should be independently regulated by the FCA as it is something that requires investment of capital.

Unfortunately the FCA is still playing catch up on taking over from the OFT. But boy I am praying for the day!!!

DancesWithOtters · 20/08/2017 20:07

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nervousfather · 20/08/2017 20:11

"No, on the backs of others that are also making a lot of money. I work hard as a leader to make them in to leaders and earn as much, if not more than I do. We have people in our company that can earn more than their uplines."

This is the definition of MLM, proper companies you make money by selling a product (this is why Avon etc aren't MLM), with scam companies you make money from recruiting other people to sell.

Grimbles · 20/08/2017 20:13

In essence there is no real difference between Avon and Younique, except Avon predates the pushy FB hunbots.

NeverTwerkNaked · 20/08/2017 20:19

@astrida ...(and others)... The people who "appear" successful in MLMs have been roundly proven, time and again, to have been relying on smoke and mirrors to make you think that! Hefty credit card bills/ wealthy partner or family member/ or plain old photoshop even!