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MLM Bashing, why?

89 replies

bagpackbagpack · 16/02/2017 22:33

Sorry for the click bait in advance...

F me, we all hate MLM? But why is it still here?

4 posts I have seen in 3 hours where people have been scammed, I know the VAST majority of mumsnetters wouldn't ever dream of joining an MLM, BUT PEOPLE STILL DO! (Mums netter or not)

Its really frustrating.

AIBU to think the MLM should be banned. And we as a group of like minded people might be able to influence this in some way?

OP posts:
UnbornMortificado · 20/02/2017 00:42

JP cured my MH issues..

Oh no wait it didn't. I did get a message trying to sell me some because is would help manage my bi-polar.

I was not amused, I may be the only person to be blocked a bot and not the other way round. I'm very proud of that.

karmacoma1 · 20/02/2017 00:43

Are they still about?

I had two ex colleagues who were doing forever living and juice plus about 18 months ago, they were incrediblely annoying on fb - to the point where I considered unfriending them. I felt it was pretty sad, as we all worked in sales - then they had gone on mat leave then sahm. Maybe they wanted a taste of the old job they worked in, as they were both really god st sales and got rewarded with bonuses etc?

Now there doesn't seem to be anything on their pages regarding it, also the friend requests from 'jp' 🙄 Promoters have stopped, plus they don't seem to pop up in mutual friends either - thought the bubble may of burst and it had died off.

lalalalyra · 20/02/2017 00:50

They are uncontrollable, like con scams always are, because they sell a dream that people are so desperate to have that they ignore the warning bells. Much like the amazing villa that's a bargain and turns out to be a fake, or the fake Ugg boots or whatever. People are too blinded by the possibility to realise it's got no chance of working out.

An old friend/acquaintance of mine recently recruited DH's teenage cousin to one. She's a teenage Mum, freshly escaped DV and absolutely desperate to build a good life for her daughter. Many, many sensible people have pointed out the flaws in the 'amazing opportunity' to her, but she's so, so desperate to give her daughter that life she feels she must take the chance.

These companies are no better than the fake roofer/window fitter/gas repair folks that prey on vulnerable old people in their homes imo.

SugarLoveHeart · 20/02/2017 00:54

One of my old mates (they dropped all of us friends for shiny new MLM pals) was sucked into this. She's had a total personality transplant.
I said to one of our friends, at the time, "l'm really surprised at Jane. She's an intelligent woman"
To which she raised an eyebrow and replied "No. She's not. That's the real surprise"

Werkzallhourz · 20/02/2017 02:35

A family member got involved in an mlm about fifteen years ago. I found it fascinating because it was pretty clear to me that there was no way you could individually shift enough product at enough of a mark-up to generate anywhere near the turnover required to generate a decent profit.

Her average sale was about £15. To make £250 a week in turnover, she had to make 17 sales a week, so at least three a day (or £45 worth). Her markup was only something like 20 percent, so those 17 sales gave her a weekly profit of £50.

To get anywhere near reasonable earnings, say £200 a week, she had to sell four times that amount, so nearly 70 sales at £15 a pop. For a home-run business with no ability to flog online, increase mark-up, shift product in bulk, and no bricks and mortar store front, it was impossible for her to generate those kinds of sales.

Even if she had a stream of people coming to her house and each sale took 15 mins, she'd be looking at spending 17.5 hours a week solely engaged in the process of transaction. This would be the equivalent of spending three days a week solely receiving customers constantly from 9am to 3pm without a break.

It just wasn't going to happen; the demand just was not there for such a set-up. But it was only DH and I that seemed to be able to see this.

I think one of the problems is that people believe the hype surrounding a lot of these mlm "opportunities" and they don't break down the figures. If you can't sell enough product to make it work, then your "downline" will not be able to either, so taking a cut of those profits won't amount to anything much either.

Mol1628 · 20/02/2017 03:28

A family member is a serial MLMer. She hears a new 'opportunity' pays up the joining fee, spams everyone with how amazing it is, how it's going to change her life. Then goes quiet for a few months till she joins the next one.

sorenipples · 20/02/2017 09:11

Foxes I agree . MLM is not the only thing that looks like a scam, smells like a scam, appears to deliberately exploit vulnerable people and is apparently legal. If it was that easy to earn a living trading a few hours a week off the stock market, for example, then well, wouldn't a lot of people be doing it? I hear some "free seminars" are just high pressure sales pitches to get you to buy the next seminar on the ladder. And it makes me fume when I see such things advertised as jobs on jobs boards.

RainyDayBear · 20/02/2017 09:31

One of my friends (who is really nice) is always doing these. Drives me nuts. I developed an allergy to Younique to get out of buying! Recently a lady she knows was trying to get her sucked into the Juice Plus nonsense, I think DP told her husband it was a load of crap as I could see this woman was angling for her to sell it!

Trills · 20/02/2017 09:32

To which she raised an eyebrow and replied "No. She's not. That's the real surprise"

Surely nobody is this laconic in real life? :o

specialsubject · 20/02/2017 09:34

Yes, mn is also a business and ethics is a county east of London to them.

The common ground with mlm is that all the products are useless. A few of them smell good if you like reeking petrochemicals, but the sugar shakes, market stall face creams and cheap slap never did anything for anyone except waste resources.

CotswoldStrife · 20/02/2017 10:17

I can see why it is attractive to some people - I've said before that I have a friend who loves the stuff attached to an MLM, the conferences/meetings/get togethers, the positive upbeat attitude everyone has - that kind of thing.

The big change for me is that there are so many of them nowadays! I have a lot on my FB. The MLM companies are pushing social media like mad as it is such a cheap form of advertising for them, so most of the MLM-friends I have on FB have already had a seminar this year on using social media (inc sponsored ads) and/or making videos of themselves (or so it seems ....)

My idea of pyramid selling is that you have to buy the product yourself and sell it on. MLM's don't make the distributor buy the product upfront as a necessity, they can take and fill orders as they come in. If you just did that, you may not make much money but I can't see you losing much either. But there is often a minimum purchase requirement within a timeframe, so if you want to keep up the MLM that's when the personal purchasing (and the consequent losses) seems to start!

I veer between finding it fascinating to watch, and being slightly irritated!

zzzzzz1 · 20/08/2017 16:17

Twinleheth mentioned "I just want to say Direct Selling is regulated by the DSA and there are strict rules about not making false claims etc. "

What she forgot to add is that the DSA Board of Directors is comprised almost entirely of representatives from the very same MLMs they are supposedly regulating. In essence, they are the kids looking after the candy jar.

Tanith · 20/08/2017 17:52

This lady's blog is a good read for anyone questioning the Hows and Whys:

https://notquitefairytalesblog.com

I did read somewhere that China has recently banned MLM. I'd like to see the same happen here, having watched helplessly as a desperately hard-up friend lost a small fortune and her character on one of these schemes.

I have nothing but contempt for the parasitic leeches head up these companies Angry

astrida · 20/08/2017 18:00

Although I hate them, there is someone near me who appears to have done very well out of Younique (black status)

I am well aware she is the minority though.

Tanith · 20/08/2017 18:04

Are you sure, Astrida?

My friend claimed she was doing marvellously, making a fortune, living the life.

All lies Sad. She sold a tiny handful of products and the rest of her sales were her own, trying to build up her "business".

Hoppinggreen · 20/08/2017 18:05

The key word is " appears" !!!!!

astrida · 20/08/2017 18:07

I know Tanith - don't get me wrong, I don't think she 'earns' anything like as much as she makes out but it must still be a decent amount.

HCantThinkOfAUsername · 20/08/2017 18:12

I constantly get messages asking me to join, so bloody fustratung

notanotherNC · 20/08/2017 18:16

I just block any of the idiots if they appear on my Facebook. If everyone did the same that would be that surely?

Grimbles · 20/08/2017 18:21

Ignore the haters huns, they are just jellus babes xxxxx

Team glitter unicorns are gonna smash it this month babes xxxxx XXX lol

Uokbing · 20/08/2017 18:25

The newest thing now doesn't seem to be actual Arbonne, Forever Living, Younique - it seems to be these 'network marketing coaches', who seem to want to take your money to tell you how to 'make your business explode overnight'. The thing is, how can you make a ton of money selling shitty way overpriced beauty products? You can't, the money comes in recruiting doesn't it?

I have no idea what these coaches are telling people, it just seems like such a con.

imjusthereforasec · 20/08/2017 18:26

So far his year I have had friends post about:

Stella and Dot
Body Shop
Neals Yard
Just for Tiny People
Juice Plus
Younique

I have bought from the top three where it was something I've wanted, there was a discount compared to online and the products were quality. I couldn't bring myself to engage with the bottom three as they were too try hard, products expensive and they were downright pushy, they also wanted me to be resellers whilst the top three were happier to just sell products (maybe because people weren't buying their products??)

HopefulHamster · 20/08/2017 18:29

The people who get in early can sometimes make good money, once they have forced enough of their acquaintances to work for them. If you sign up and there's loads of upline above you, they will be making money off you, and you will be in a totally saturated market. They will put lots of pressure on you too.

You can occasionally find a half decent product despite everything but the company practises are abysmal. The small level mlm victims nearly always spend more buying product for themselves (they are told they must familiarise themselves) than the profit they make for others.

I think they should be wiped out.

Not all 'party at home' businesses are mlm. There is one I like (am customer of) that isn't. And others have got in on the mlm trend but weren't to begin with and could dump that element if needed.

ByseddSosij · 20/08/2017 18:30

I HATE them and the stupid inspirational quotes/look at me having all this quality time with my family.Overpriced bollocks.

Hmm
karmacoma1 · 20/08/2017 18:31

If anyone wants a really good documentary, showing just how dreadful these mlm's are, betting on zero on Netflix is a brilliant, if devastating watch.