To think this petition is not ok

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Just that really - a man convicted of possessing indecent images of children has returned from prison and gone back to live at his parent's house. The locals have got hold of this information and have now set up a petition to get him 'rehomed' somewhere with no children. Outer Hebrides?
My view is he's done his time, he wants a fresh start, as long as he keeps himself to himself then just let him be? This petition doesn't sit well with me at all.

Paedophile Anon well the whole point is its Anon. But as you said yourself about paedophiles grouped together, might not be the best idea

Yes, it's anonymous, but you kind of have to advertise where AA, NA, GA etc are held so people can show up. If a Paedophile Anonymous was on at the village hall, I think the pitchforks would be out and people would be rioting.

Also, do people go to weightwatchers to sit eating fudge cake and swap tips on how to raid the fridge without DH noticing? Is AA really just a big piss-up?? Sorry to be flippant, but there are already plenty of information exchange websites, from pro-ana to bestiality and everything in-between. I can't imagine paedophiles turning up just to exchange notes when they can do that from their own home.

I'm not saying it is the perfect solution but for any other vice it is almost universally accepted that a good support system is the key to recovery/abstinence. Just because I find this particular vice more unpleasant than the others doesn't mean that it's not still a proven model.

Well I disagree ime paedophiles are a heck of a lot more fucked up then people who are obese or alcoholics and much more dangerous as a group.

yes i think its morally disgusting to execute anyone.
No one 'gives up their rights'
Its thinking like that that allows people to do horrific things to each other.
I am as concerned for them as i would be for any human being. That doesnt mean i dont care about their victims.

Sweets101 Thu 09-Feb-17 23:41:04
Thing is, usually if a paedophile lives close by you are not informed.

I disagree sweets - a convicted paedophile in my experience is in the local papers, not the mention local gossip.

Do you think it's morally disgusting to execute them ? Or do you think should we just let them carry on?

Come on... It's not one or the other. If someone tortures, rapes and murders babies and small children they are going to be living in a tiny cell for the rest of their life, which will likely not be long as the other prisoners tend not to like child killers.

I don't think anyone on this thread is saying that paedophiles shouldn't be punished for their actions but saying that they are "fair game" etc doesn't actually make the problem go away or make children safer IMO.

If you think they are the only ones in your area ella I would bet my bottom dollar they are not.

I saw a programme on TV that tried to be all emotive about how paedophiles are hard done by and can't help the attraction, they need help not vilification.

I was pretty astounded as paedophiles are aroused and attracted to children, not teenagers, that's a different name altogether and just as wrong.

You know it's not right so why do it? I hope I don't offend anyone but former alcoholics and drug addicts still have the addiction part, they know they have to control it. Would you go round his parents for tea and biscuits with his DP, knowing in his head he could be imagining all sorts with your DC. I think not.

Some crimes, involving minors, vulnerable people, women and the elderly are not tolerated inside prison. I don't think there's anyway to be magically cured apart from castration. In which hopefully any sexual urges for anything are removed.

Like PP has said there's no ideal place for him to live. The petition will likely come to nothing. But I'd never defend such a person. I don't know if you're missing out on the fact that with child porn, children are being abused and getting hurt, never mind if he did more than that.

With everything going on in the world you need to pick your battles more wisely!

I don't think anyone on this thread is saying that paedophiles shouldn't be punished for their actions but saying that they are "fair game" etc doesn't actually make the problem go away or make children safer IMO.
I do agree with that Shark. But on the other hand i'm not sure if the Met were coordinating online stings before the public were? Could be wronge though.

Well Sweets I would argue that drunk drivers and abusive parents are more likely to kill a child than a random paedophile.

Whether you think it is more fucked up or not doesn't really solve anything, does it?

I am mystified why people reserve more hatred and bile for people who have looked at pictures on the internet than for people who have, for example, killed others.

Obviously looking at child pornography is morally wrong and illegal. But it doesn't compare, in my book, to killing a child while drink driving.

I don't see people amassing with the pitchforks to evict a drink driver who just got out of jail after 5 years.

So why is that?

weird x-post there...

Its thinking like that that allows people to do horrific things to each other

What like say, torturing ,abusing and murdering children?

I am as concerned for them as i would be for any human being

There we have it. So , you are as concerned for the degenerates that choose to abuse and kill children as you are for their choiceless defenseless victims That is so fucked up.

I've pondered whether to post this or not but here goes - I hope I'm not recognisable and if I am I'd appreciate if someone could PM me.

I worked in a prison a few years ago as a typist - my job was to type up SOTP (sex offender treatment programmes).

Some of the documents I had to type re: what had happened to those abused by a paedophile broke my heart and led me to resigning. I couldn't cope with it - that's just reading the accounts not actually living it as the victims did.

On the personal note - A family member abused another family member. The abuser had been abused themselves. I'll get lots of abuse for this I'm sure but the abuser is NOT a bad person in my eyes -yes a whole lot of issues, but definitely not worthy of execution. Years on, the abuser is mortified and they've made their peace. The abuser has never went on to abuse.

statistically its far more likely to be a member of their own family inflicting abuse on a child than it is to be a random convicted paedo thats moved to the area. Its like rapists jumping out of bushes. Yes it makes the headlines on the very rare occassions it happens but in the majority of cases you have much more to fear from people you know.
Its indulgence to direct anger like this at 'unkown evil enemies' it makes people feel like they are doing something when they arent, it makes them feel like they are taking control when they arent, its just fear and anger driven. Its not logical because it doesnt actually achieve anything positive in terms of protecting children. Petitions like this, online campaigns naming and shaming, shunning or harrassing people, it does nothing except making the people doing it feel like they are 'doing something'.

Shark it's not only about the children that are killed, there are many more that aren't.
And yes I do think alcoholism or over eating is less fucked up than paedophilia, for a start neither of the first 2 is illegal!
Sexually abuse causes real harm to real children every day.

It's not a member of the family it's someone 'known' to them. Why do you think that is?

youhadmeatcake yes like torturing and killing children. You are thinking just as those people do when they take away someones humanity enough to justify killing them to themselves. There is no justification for premeditated murder.
Its not a competition over who i feel more concerned for!! ffs the concern is different. Often it even overlaps because abused children can grow up to become abusers.

Split. I'd say you're thinking like a paedophile apologist. I know who I'd rather be.

Sweets having an alcoholic/binge-drinking parent causes real harm to real children every day.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3526140/Parents-baby-died-drunk-WON-T-prosecuted.html
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/618667/Baby-died-after-drunk-dad-tried-to-change-nappy-baby-death

If you re-read my post again, I wasn't saying "really???? you think paedophiles are worse than overweight people???" It's pretty obvious that they are!! What I am saying is that if group support/counselling works for drug addicts, alcoholics, over-eaters etc etc, then surely it could be worth trying with paedophiles?

You never know though, people saying "kill them all" 1000 times might actually work....I could be wrong that it's not an effective strategy for dealing with a very real problem.

Its indulgence to direct anger like this at 'unkown evil enemies' it makes people feel like they are doing something when they arent, it makes them feel like they are taking control when they arent, its just fear and anger driven. Its not logical because it doesnt actually achieve anything positive in terms of protecting children.

Absolutely this^ Perfectly expressed, IMO.

There is no such thing as "child porography" and if surprises me that so many, supposedly intelligent, people don't realise this. It's "child abuse images" not porn.

'apologist' wtf.... okay you stay in your bubble where you can shout 'kill them' or whatever. Im sure everyone thinks you are such an amazing person because you just hate paedos SO MUCH.

But back here in the real world people have to actually think about what it the best thing to do, whats going to protect society and whats going to prevent people from committing these crimes. The death penalty is not a deterrent for crimes like this because its not something people are entirely in control of, there usually some degree of mental illness (and it could be argued that all paedophilia is mental illness) Punishment is no real deterrent at all for genuine paedophiles. It may be some detterrent for people who view child porn but again it would be so so because its a compulsion most are not entirely in control of for whatever reason. Its not like robbing a bank for a bunch of money, its not as logical. Fear of punishment cannot remove your sexual attraction to children. One day theres a strong chance theyll act on that in some way whether or not they are frightened of the punishment.
So to protect society properly you need to be looking at why, and what you can actually do about it. You can keep killing them but it wont prevent more crimes from taking place because you are killing them AFTER the crimes have taken place.

Alcoholism does real harm to real children every day too.

A child killed by a drunk driver is still dead.

Why do we drum people who have looked at indecent images out of our communities while tolerating the drunk, the drugged, those who have killed, those who have raped (adults), all of whom have done far more damage to real children?

The way people talk on here you would think there is no worse crime than finding children attractive in the privacy of your own head. Personally I'd rather my DD was in a car with someone who was sexually attracted to children but had never acted on the urge, than someone with a conviction for drink driving.