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To think 1 minute isn't late?

332 replies

AnArrowToTheKnee · 07/02/2017 12:02

DS1 starts school at 8.50, we got there at 8.51 and were told we had to sign in at the office. AIBU to think that we weren't actually late?

OP posts:
gandalf456 · 07/02/2017 15:06

I really would not notice if I were 1 minute late or early. Neither would my boss for that matter

gandalf456 · 07/02/2017 15:07

And I wouldn't notice anyone else being late for all of 60 seconds either

msdinosaur · 07/02/2017 15:09

YABU. You were late. I'm a teacher and my register has two late options. Late before register closes and late after register closes. Children have to be signed in at the office if they are late so that the office know who is in the school. The teacher may have taken the register by the time the child reaches the classroom. Best way to solve this and not have to sign in? Be at least 1 minute early. :-)

Libbylove2015 · 07/02/2017 15:09

I was always taught to leave 5ms either way to allow for peoples watches - OK in this digital world perhaps that is reduced to 2 or 3mins either side.

Who says that the facist who made you sign in had the correct time, when the margins are so small?

Pathetic. I would have refused I think! Idiots.

Lweji · 07/02/2017 15:10

I've set my watch by DS's school bell. It works.

Lweji · 07/02/2017 15:11

Pathetic. I would have refused I think! Idiots.

And you could also be sent back, I suppose.

Why are they idiots and pathetic, exactly?

5moreminutes · 07/02/2017 15:14

Germany MrsJanice - it took me a long time to convince my German DH that British people prefer you to be 5 minutes late to arrive at their homes than 5 minutes early :o but actually I also have lateness so maybe that's why I liked him :o. The trains tend to run on time here too

5moreminutes · 07/02/2017 15:15

*hate not have

harderandharder2breathe · 07/02/2017 15:27

libby so what would you do when the school refused to change their mind?

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/02/2017 15:39

@gandalf456 - if the school regularly turns a blind eye to child A being 1 minute late, what happens when child B is 2 minutes late, but their parent sees child A regularly going in 1 minute late and argues that, as their child is only a minute later, the school should turn a blind eye to their lateness too? Or when more parents start turning up a minute or two late, because the school are turning a blind eye to one child's lateness?

They have to draw a line somewhere, and once they have drawn the line, the late sign in policy should apply to everyone - no blind eyes.

I think it matters in school, because school activities are mainly group activities, so if a member of the group is late, either the start of the activity has to be delayed, or you get disruption catching up the latecomer. And whilst I am sure you are right that your boss wouldn't bat an eye at you being a minute late, I'd guess that's because your work is not group based, so starting later doesn't inconve anyone, and you can catch up the work.

But if you worked in a group setting - if you were regularly late to meetings, for example, you would be inconveniencing other people, and they would notice and would probably be pissed off.

5moreminutes · 07/02/2017 15:44

If school actually starts at 8:50 aren't you pretty much already late if you walk through the gates at 8:50, or 8:49... If school starts at 8:50 that means the children are already sitting down and the teacher starts the lesson at 8:50, so the child should be inside the building well before that.

When do doors open?

I don't think 8:51 is one minute late unless doors open at 8:50...

If doors open at 8:30 there is twenty minutes leeway from 8:30-8:50. Arguably it would be more useful to think of 8:51 as 21 minutes late in that case...

Trifleorbust · 07/02/2017 15:58

I don't know why people think they can just say 'I would refuse'. Go on then, take your child home. Hmm

AnArrowToTheKnee · 07/02/2017 16:07

I didn't disappear, had a lot to do today and only just logged back on.

We're not habitually late, usually we're at least five minutes early. Door opens at 8.50, is that not the same as the start time?

And no, they're never out on time. It's not unusual to be waiting 10 or even 15 minutes at the end of the day.

OP posts:
gandalf456 · 07/02/2017 16:08

They have to draw a line somewhere, and once they have drawn the line, the late sign in policy should apply to everyone - no blind eyes.

Yes. They do. Then draw it at 8.55 for gate closure. It makes more sense according the arguments I've outlined to the power of 10

MrsHathaway · 07/02/2017 16:12

Door opens at 8.50, is that not the same as the start time?

That's daft. They expect to get two hundred children through the door within sixty seconds?

In that case you were unlucky.

And since it's a one off it doesn't matter anyway. Just eye roll and bite your tongue.

Lweji · 07/02/2017 16:20

The door opens at 8:50 and closes at 8:50?

Are you sure?

ForAllWeKnow · 07/02/2017 16:20

They can't open and close the doors at 8.50! Confused

WidowTwonky · 07/02/2017 16:24

gandalf you're really not getting it are you? If the line is drawn at 8.55 then if you arrived at 8.56 then YOU ARE LATE

trinketsofgold · 07/02/2017 16:24

The more the story unfolds, the less likely it seems that it was indeed one minute late

gandalf456 · 07/02/2017 16:24

They can if they do it really quickly :) They have 60 seconds to let everyone in. That's enough time and, after all, they are late if they come after that so it's fair enough.

Lweji · 07/02/2017 16:26

They can if they do it really quickly

So, a tiny school with one class of 20?

gandalf456 · 07/02/2017 16:28

Yes. But they would have to put the rest through the office to sign in because they are one minute late.

gandalf456 · 07/02/2017 16:29

But, logically, they could do it, and, as the theme of the thread goes, they are within their rights to do it.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/02/2017 16:31

@gandalf456 - the issue isn't the specific time that the line is drawn - from this thread it is clear that that varies from school to school - the issue is that, once the line has been drawn, even a minute past that time means you are late, and have to follow whatever late policy the school has.

It does seem a bit daft that the doors at the OP's school open and close at 8.50am. I don't see how that is possible, in the real world.

trinketsofgold · 07/02/2017 16:32

They wouldn't be one minute late if they are on the playground ready to go in.

Gandalf I think you are deliberately being obtuse and a bit of a dick

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