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To be so badly affected by Trump

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moonriverandyou · 04/02/2017 19:06

I know he worries a lot of people but most people i presume manage to shove him out of their minds, at least some of the time. But i can't. Since he became president i feel like i'm living in a bad dream. I have a permanent feeling of unease. doom I feel like i can't plan for he future, is he going to get us all blown up? Will we be here this time next year? Please calm me down good mumsnetters if you can.

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celeste84 · 04/02/2017 22:08

Deadsouls I just don't remember any such drama made out of anything that Kim Jong-Un has done, certainly no level of public protests, etc. He is actually executing and persecuting citizens of his own country on a daily basis and threatening to set off nuclear bombs at neighbouring nations but no one seems to make an issue with him.

Deadsouls · 04/02/2017 23:01

celeste
Fair comment. Though I don't think Kim Jong-Un has gone unnoticed. Could it be that recent political events have dominated? Or that North Korea is so secretive so we just don't hear so much about it

Deadsouls · 04/02/2017 23:02

I don't find it hypocritical though. You'd probably find many people frightened of the impact he could have, both in the West, and Japan for example.

TheClaws · 05/02/2017 00:15

Celeste I think the issue may be more that the US has always been considered a friend. Now this friend may be not quite as amicable as seemed - in fact, the friend seems downright bonkers and intent on causing as much instability as possible. Haven't you had a relationship like that? Where a silver coin is turned over and is all black on the other side and you had no idea? That's the source of the anxiety.

Gingersstuff · 05/02/2017 00:22

I'm really, really hoping that he's going to get bored within a couple of months and want to be a spaceman next. And at the same time that something nasty happens to take his sidekick Pence out of the equation as well.

AriadnePersephoneCloud · 05/02/2017 01:38

YANBU I share your fear to an extent but keep thinking of all the positives such as how many people are openly disagreeing with his disgusting "politics". In the end I have to believe good will win and in four years he'll be gone and hopefully Brexit won't have proved as bad as I think and things will have all settled down again....

Atenco · 05/02/2017 03:16

He has also brought the world together in a quite unprecedented (or, in his own words, 'unpresidented' grin) way, to protest him

I live in Mexico, moonriver, so you can imagine how we feel, however I believe he is affecting the interests of some of the world's largest and most influencial corporations and, in the end, they are the ones with the power. His actions are going to be limited by Congress who, even though it is Republican, will be heavily lobbied by these corporations.

The best thing to do at the moment, IMHO, is to boycott American companies and products and encourage everyone around us to do the same.

PhoenixJasmine · 05/02/2017 06:30

Is boycotting USAmerican companies a feasible thing to do - don't they own - well, everything? Is there a list anywhere?

lljkk · 05/02/2017 08:14

It's pretty obvious that USA has less economic power than it did, not sure Trump realises, just like he has poor grasp of the limited powers of The President. The supply chains are so complicated now that it's hard to find a purely American company. There are easy lists of who to boycott that are truly Trump supporters or Trump brand products, but I don't think any point in boycotting all "American" companies.

Kim rarely says anything new, Trump says or does something different every day. That's another reason why Trump is more newsworthy.

POTUS & staff are often tasked with keeping China sweet so they can keep their crazy dog (N-Korea) on a tight lead. Now Trump and Bannon (Bannon is the nasty little angel on Trump's soldier) WANT to piss off China. FFS. At least Mattis went to Japan & SKorea as very first trip. And has made many statements about no change in US policy in this region (Mattis seems to think he can make that decision). Can't believe averting nuclear Armageddon depends on MadDog Mattis. (sigh)

Deadsouls · 05/02/2017 08:27

OP - another way of approaching this is to find out more about politics, what's going on, what policies are being enacted, where do you stand, do you want to get active? For all the unease and shock of the past 6 months, it's woken me up and I'm more politically aware and educating myself, finding out about what my values are.

user1478860582 · 05/02/2017 08:32

You only have to look at the news headline today regarding the US courts overruling Trumps travel ban to see what the next four years will be like.

His presidency is going to stall in a quagmire of blocking tactics. He simply doesn't have the political experience to navigate the corridors of power and to get things done and doesn't have enough allies to help him.

In four years time I think he will be voted out with his supporters bitterly disappointed that he managed to achieve nothing.

Deadsouls · 05/02/2017 08:35

Can he not go before the 4 years somehow?

gamerwidow · 05/02/2017 09:07

deadsouls if he is impeached he could well be in prison by the end of the year.
OP it is a worrying time but your anxieties do seem to be disproportionate if they are not allowing you to enjoy your day to day life
I also recommend watching satire and laughing at Trump to defuse the fear. It might make you feel better to write a letter to your MP or go on a demonstration or donate money to the ACLU to fight him so you don't feel so powerless.
Alternatively there is nothing wrong with turning the news off if all it makes you do is panic. Only you will know what will make you feel more in control.
Whatever that outcome of this chapter in history we're not at war today so try to enjoy the now.

TheDowagerCuntess · 05/02/2017 09:18

Trump is - arguably - savvy (the history of bankruptcy means I don't actually think he is, but I'll say it to be kind), however he's not clever, intelligent, nor strategic.

You can do what you like in the private sector. The public sector is quite different, and you do need a bit of a brain to succeed, let alone thrive.

He's already being blocked, and with every day that passes, he has less credibility. He's not taken seriously by anyone - Joe Public, senior Republicans, the international community. Nobody. He's a laughable figure who's being relentlessly mocked on social media.

The lack of confidence people have in him, and his ability to meaningfully represent, is going to be critical in his downfall.

TSSDNCOP · 05/02/2017 10:45

I agree. Less than a week after the immigration EO and in steps the Supreme Court to block him. Checks and balances exist even in a world where Donald Trump is President.

He can tell off all the foreign leaders he likes. All that will happen is loss of credibility. He hasn't yet realised that sometimes you have to say and do nothing to be more powerful.

I do think though in his shoes I'd be spending a lot less time on Twitter and a lot more time with a Constitution tutor if he wants to make any of these EO actually stick.

I'd also be shitting myself 24/7 about the sheer numbers of people that want me not to he President anymore by whatever means.

mimishimmi · 05/02/2017 22:27

I've had quite a bit of anxiety since 9/11. I think Trump is possibly a continuation of the likes of George Bush etc although he seemed quite calm and rational when he was younger.

I think the root of the problems is that over the past century millions of people have been murdered for some corporations/people to get to the more than comfortable financial position they have today and the demographic consequences/mental health effects on others of all these actions are starting to make them feel very, very nervous. The old tricks are not working quite as well as they envisioned.

lingle · 05/02/2017 23:01

Poor OP

By all means see your GP

But your GP probably feels the same as you do.

Channel the anxiety into something positive, whether political or not.

catgirl1976 · 05/02/2017 23:07

Hey OP

I had the very same thing.

I had full on anxiety, I signed up to seminars about how to move to New Zeland, I went on preppers websites, it was disturbing my sleep. I know how you feel.

Now, all that said, as horrific as I think what is happening in the US (and across Europe is) and I don't think YABU to my unnerved by a rising wave of right wing thinking it is an over reaction. Either everything is going to be ok or it isn't - but there is little you and I can do to change it.

But I totally understand. I've spent three weeks really anxious. It has changed for me. I don't think there was a defining moment that I became calm (I'm not going to say "ok with it" because I'm not) but something that helped was calling him a massive spoon directly on twitter. Totally childish but it diminished some of his 'power' somehow. Not saying that will work for you but......

Anyway, YANBU. What is happening is terrifying. But at the same time YABU. You can't change it (though you can protest and rally and resist) but you've got to find a way to get your calm back.

PM me if you like. I was you only days ago so I do get it and I've come through it, so if you need a friendly hand hold I'm here

PrettyBotanicals · 05/02/2017 23:07

You could move to the States. I speak to lots of people there who are completely ok with him as president and feel that he's putting their country's security first.

Or hang on and see if Le Pen or Geert Wilders get in then your head will probably explode.

How have you managed to exist for so long in a world where hideous atrocities are committed daily against innocent people? Rape, mutilatons, genocide, child soldiers?

The world is a truly shitty place. But I don't think all the evil is in America.

Deadsouls · 05/02/2017 23:33

pretty

Equally there are lots of people in the states who are not okay with Trump as president and who do not feel he is putting the country's security first.

I think hoot question is moot. 'How have you managed to live so long...etc?'

The OP's predicament is specifically in relation to DP. Nowhere has the OP claimed that 'all the evil is in America'. Obviously all the 'evil' is not in America.

scaryteacher · 06/02/2017 07:34

Lljkk Mattis is by all accounts, urbane, civilised and well read, has a good grasp of history, and like most military men, doesn't want to fight unless he has to. A European acquaintance of mine counts him as a friend, and has a lot of time for him.

lljkk · 06/02/2017 17:44

Good to hear. DS has a hero complex about Mattis.
However, he got the nickname MadDog for a reason...

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