to think we could all do something positive - and ask UK govt to take in a lot more Syrian refugees?

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I get the rage. The fear. But behind all that it is hard to somehow focus on the story of all the Syrian refugees. On the people behind the headlines.
Couldn't we channel some of this vast emotion into campaignjng to take in far more refugees from Syria. To balance the gates being shut by Trump?

I know all the arguments that "we don't have space" etc etc but it is actually quite hard to believe that is really the case when many wealthy people have second, even third, homes.....

I can't start a petition, but maybe someone could?

I 'don't hand my head in shame' I fund raise and help local charities.

You have been very rude op. My dd has PTSD and can hold a conversation without being rude. It's no excuse.

I also suffer with PTSD op, and like Whydidwedoit4times daughter, It doesn't make a difference to how I talk to someone I disagree with.

If it's upset you that much then I also think you need to leave the thread. Nobody is out to personally attack you but your replies arnt very nice, you don't know what other posters have suffered with either. Posters were only trying to figure out why you couldn't start a petition that's all.

But nevermind I'm out, I do my bit where and when I can

You think quite highly of yourself don't you OP? Get over yourself and if you can't make a petition or don't have a second home or space to take a child in, without getting help from the government and paying for said child out of your own pocket like you seem to expect others to do, don't suggest others should and then try to shame them because they questioned you as to why you couldn't.

Op, I understand your sentiments. They come from a good place. However, its simply not true that people who don't share your idea of a solution don't care.

Unfortunately 'Spare rooms' and 'second, third homes' don't even come close to addressing the problem. Its like telling Captain Scott to put a jacket on.

Wow this is one of the strangest threads I've seen for a while. A few points for op:

1. if you have PTSD and are easily distressed why on earth did you post on AIBU, particularly a political thread?
2. people asking you questions it or pointing out flaws in you logic (and I use the term 'logic' loosely here) are not making personal attacks, they are discussing your original post, which is the entire point of an online forum.
3. telling people to hang their heads in shame because they try to point out the realistic economic impact of your very simplistic view is incredibly childish.

As a Canadian,I understand wanting to help provide a safe place for refugees.
We use a combination of methods to support them,including private sponsorship where the people in small groups fund the refugees and support them themselves for the first year. Dones the UK have something like that at all?

I understand you are trying out do a good thing here, I just think you got the tone was
wrong.

OP I get what your trying to say and I understand that you have PTSD but that doesn't give you the right to be rude to other people and tell them to hang their heads in shame when they don't agree with you. You need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture all the people saying that they can't help could be going through their own personal problems right now or financial difficulties of their own that doesn't mean that they don't want to help it just means that they can't help at this present moment because unfortunately op we can't all magic up a 2nd home out of thin air and we don't have a never ending supply of money in our bank accounts so take a step back and stop being rude to people when they ask questions. If you really want to help the refugees then you think of a way to help them if you so wish. But bringing them all to this country won't help because this countries resources are already overstretched as it is and as a pp up thread pointed out this country as whole is already sending money over to them to help out what more would you like us to do. A petition will not change anything.

But if i had a second home, or even a spare room in my home, I would feel awful knowing there were refugees out there with nothing....

Which is fine for you, but you are not in a position to speak on behalf of those people.

There are thousands upon thousands of homeless people already within the UK. Why not campaign to help them out first? Why bring more people into an unstable political and economic environment when there are already people being walked past and looked down upon at the tube station every day?

Exactly. There are masses of children needing foster homes. If I am going to feel any shame, it's that I don't feel equal to becoming a foster carer.

It angers me when clueless people go one about these issues. I'm no expert but I cans see our country is struggling to stay afloat as it is.

Our NHS is crumbling & schools have been cut back so much it's bordering on unsafe.

In an ideal world we would love to help everyone that needs it, of course we would, but where would the money come from to re-home, and essentially pay for them to live a life here? Many of them won't speak English, and will never contribute to the country.

So what do we do op? Take away council houses and Benefits from U.K. Citizens and only allow refugees this privilege? Would you willingly pay more tax (if you work) to house them?

Would you be happy to be told your child won't get a school place this year, as there's no room.

But if i had a second home, or even a spare room in my home, I would feel awful knowing there were refugees out there with nothing....

No. Not necessarily you wouldn't. You might have a perfectly good reason not to feel that. Like you have a perfectly good reason not feeling guilty about setting up a petition yourself.

People do as much as they care enough to do.

Making accusations about how people aught to feel if they have x y or z is bloody ridiculous. You ''do a lot for charity'' OP. Some people not only ''do a lot for charity'' but have given up everything and flown out to the ends of the earth to do what ever it takes. Supposing one of them said to you ...

''If i had money and a life in England i would feel awful knowing there were refugees out there with nothing''.

You'd probably tell them to piss off. which is simply what has happened to you on this thread

Yabu.

I don't think we should take anymore refugees. I don't want us to quite frankly for many reasons already stated on this thread.

And I'm not a hypocrite because I'm not sitting here 'wringing my hands' or 'ticking off' Trump.

How about the incredibly rich part with some of their hard-earned (not) and help out the unfortunate refugees, instead of just the general population who care but can't make a massive impact?

The USA accepted close to 100,000 refugees last year from various countries.
The UK 10,000.
The USA still plans on accepting 50,000 this year.
Whether the refugees come from the Congo or Serbia or Syria they all need housing.
So maybe rather than going on about the 90 day vetting restructuring why not support the fact that they still take in 5-10 times as many as the UK.

Umm, well that could be because the US is 40 times the size of the UK and, err, it's population is only 5 times greater so I would wager that they have just a leetle bit more space than us .

Rather than campaign for the UK do more for Syrian refugees (and lets face it we are one of the countries doing the most), how about putting more effort into campaigning for the bloody war to be stopped there so there is no need for people to flee to other countries and that goes for refugees from all countries.

I actually think helping to feed and shelter and generally look after the thousands of Syrian refugees in camps in the middle east is more important than bringing more refugees into the UK.

YABU, OP.

It's a heartbreaking situation, and more money and practical help on the ground should be given. But taking in loads more people is not something that we, as a society, can do - it's just not that simple.

Can you find one government petition that has actually changed anything?

Like Nick Ferrari once said on LBC, if you and your neighbour's homes are on fire, you save your own children first.

Christ alive, I would be embarrassed to type the words 'like nick Ferrari once said'.

It's a shitty analogy anyway. Like a pp.said, Britain's house would have burnt the toast while Syria's was a blazing inferno with people hanging out of the window begging to be saved.

Heeyyyyyyyy! Why was my comment deleted? I just said the namechange Worra noticed also confused me. A deletion makes me look deviant and offensive! I am really rather bland as it happens.

But if i had a second home, or even a spare room in my home, I would feel awful knowing there were refugees out there with nothing...

There are probably plenty of homeless people living on the streets in your hometown. Why not offer to take them in?

I can't start a petition, but maybe someone could?

Someone already has - it's only got 30 signatures so far, but . . .

Petition Bring the child victims of the Syrian conflict to the UK and Europe.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/165251

Or this one:

Stop the delay in welcoming lone refugee children.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/165493

122 signatures.

How about the incredibly rich part with some of their hard-earned (not) and help out the unfortunate refugees, instead of just the general population who care but can't make a massive impact?

Uh, because no form of communism has ever worked or will ever work?

And a million other reasons.