To wonder why it's OK - even considered a positive thing- to give girls names that are traditionally considered boy's names but....

[BertrandRussell]

.......not the other way round?

Boring is a bit unfair - it is wrong though.

Maybe unfair...

rhetorical questions based on an incorrect premise are grating though.

Especially when the expected response is 'yeah... grrrr.... bloody men!'

It has a quality of truthiness though. Feels like it could be true.

@splendide
It has a quality of truthiness though. Feels like it could be true.

And that's the problem with most feminists arguments.

Is that what post-truth is?

And that's the problem with most feminists arguments.

That's just bullshit.

I like unisex names which are now considered girls names for boys. So my choices for the ds were Jocelyn, Evelyn, Valentine, Jesse, etc. DS2 is called Lulu.

@MrsKoala

Are you going for the boy named Sue approach?

This seems quite unfair - like you're trying to prove a point but the children have to live with your statement to the world.

@splendide - maybe 'many' was more appropriate than 'most'.

You called your son Lulu? Poor fucker!

My nephew has a name that has been popularised by American girls in the last 10 years or so, it is historically a male name though, and she has spelt it as such.

The shit storm it caused in the family was unreal, and even when I ordered his christening gift and opted for the 'boys' selection then added on the personalisation details, they actually phoned me to say 'You know you have picked the boys one right?' so I said yes I know, and then they said 'it's just that you have put a girls name on it'. eye roll ad infinitum

Yes, that's it. we want him to be beaten up. We never even considered it being controversial. He has a longer classical name which is shortened to Lulu. No one has raised an eyebrow. Oddly ds1 name i think is very masculine but people say 'oh sorry i thought he was a boy' when i introduce him. And dd1 has what i thought was definitely a girls name and people think it's a boys name. So everyone has completely different perceptions of names.

Certainly was no statement intended.

And he suits Lulu very well thanks. No need for sympathy for my extremely fortunate children. Save it for the children who need it.

I think the boy named Sue was extremely tough, wasn't he.

Oddly ds1 name i think is very masculine but people say 'oh sorry i thought he was a boy' when i introduce him.

I don't understand this. He is a boy. He has a masculine name and people think he's a boy?

I like unisex names which are now considered girls names for boys.

It definitely sounds like a statement to me.

What's the longer name, if you don't mind telling me? I can only think of Lucifer. It's certainly classical!

MrsKoala the link I posted on the last page cites evidence suggesting that boys with unisex names (e.g. Ashley) have worse educational outcomes.

Oh, soz, wet.

For once in my life I didn't double check on Google before posting.

Though having said that, Hebrew has no ungendered pronoun. And just perhaps they got given the male one to give them extra clout and authority.

Just another boring interesting feminist thought. I do apologise for having them.

Sue was tough because he got beaten up as a kid and had to learn to fight because of his name iirc (quite unintentionally my Lulu is massive and a right bruiser, he is tough as nails already and beats the snot out of his older brother who is also tough - it's like bloody wrestle mania in my gaff!)

Ds1 is a boy yes and has what i consider a masculine name (a Spartan general) but people who have never heard it think of it as feminine.

It isn't intentional - i suppose i should have said for children but i had boys so wanted them for them. I particularly like the shortenings Joss and Val. So those are the boys names which have them.

Lucian. but i also know 2 other male Lulus - one Louis and one Lawrence.

Is DS1 Lysander? I love it (if it is that!)

yes

Lysander is very masculine to my ear but people can be quite stupid I suppose.

MrsKoala upon saying those names together I bloody love them even though I'd never considered them for any of my DC!

Isn't there a traditional Irish male name of Florence with Florry as the shortening? (sorry if that's been mentioned) I love that. Florry is a fantastic name for either sex.

"If you had a baby boy, would you call him Lucia? I suspect not - mainly because you would not want him to be laughed at in general life and yes, this is because the 'feminine' is seen as demeaning to men."

DS has a "unisex" name, which doesn't show up on the ONS for boys top 100, but does for girls under a variant spelling. So, basically where we live now it's seen as a girl name.

No, you are right, I'm not disagreeing that it's seen as a bad thing. Just saying their are some unisex names which are still used for both. Although I do realise this have other negative connotations of being 'gay' or 'posh' which is pretty much the same thing to some people.

No, you are right, I'm not disagreeing that it's seen as a bad thing. Just saying their are some unisex names which are still used for both. Although I do realise this have other negative connotations of being 'gay' or 'posh' which is pretty much the same thing to some people.

Apologies- no idea what happened there.

Lysander is synonymous with the Shakespeare character. How can people be so dim as not to know it's a male name!