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AIBU about making up formula at night?

324 replies

Chocolateorangegoblin · 30/01/2017 20:58

A friend of mine told me she boils the kettle, waits 30 minutes for it to cool etc before making a bottle all while her Dd is screaming to be fed during the night.
AIBU to think that's madness?! Surely most people don't do that?!
Obviously a lot of people have perfect prep machines now but that still involves getting out of bed etc.
I make up bottles in advance, cool them and keep them in the fridge and then at bedtime I take one to bed in a cool bag and DS drinks it whenever he wakes up. I am obviously a lazy sod but there's no way I would be standing about waiting for water to cool down at 2am!

OP posts:
GreenGinger2 · 31/01/2017 22:09

Getting twins changed and out the door is a faff. Putting scoops into a bottle of hot water and topping up with cold is not a faff.

Rainydayspending · 31/01/2017 22:12

Why are you surprised that it sounds like a faff? Or assume that's a negative comment? Parenting involves learning a heap of new things. This is one for some and not others. Anything that you learn out of necessity (self adminstered injections) look like a faff to an outsider. It sounds like a faff to me, but it's something I didn't choose. Is it somehow unacceptable for me to admit I'm a lazy cow?

Mindtrope · 31/01/2017 22:13

greenginger, but how many bottles does a baby drink in 24 hours- I have no idea how much formula babies drink- maybe 7, 8 bottles a day- so 50 bottles a week? And that's not a faff?

StillStayingClassySanDiego · 31/01/2017 22:13

Fed all of mine from a bottle, made up 24 hours in advance and used within that time frame.

All well; no upset stomachs and certainly not a faff either,

GreenGinger2 · 31/01/2017 22:14

You make it sound negative.

Having children involves all sorts of new skills.

On the subject of faff,try washable nappies. There is no comparison.

GreenGinger2 · 31/01/2017 22:16

Mind I had twins.

Formula was a piece of piss.

Breastfeeding,total utter nightmare.

Mrsmadcatlady · 31/01/2017 22:18

I couldn't bf my ds, so would sterilise the bottles etc, and pour approx 1/2 of the water needed in boiling hot and seal up (i.e. 150ml if feeding 300ml per feed). Fridged when cold. Then come feeding time, just topped up with freshly boiled water and added the powder. Usually it was the right temperature (but checked every time just in case). Dd bf otherwise would have done the same with her.

PopsyDaisy2207 · 31/01/2017 22:20

First child once stopped breastfeeding used to have boiled kept in fridge and then warmed up as needed. 2nd likes room temp. So used to boil and then just leave on the kitchen side until she wanted one. Or take to bed with me at night.
Neither child ever had problems with their tummies. Neither child ended up in hospital. Smile

GreenGinger2 · 31/01/2017 22:20

No worse than making a cup of tea.

Rainydayspending · 31/01/2017 22:21

Greenginger. Three kids all reusables. Now that's not a faff to me. Because you don't have to think/ face it at 3am. That's the faff to me.

ghostspirit · 31/01/2017 22:23

I thought it was boiled water test killed off ant bacteria in the powder?

GreenGinger2 · 31/01/2017 22:25

Mine sleep through very early on. We were asleep at 3 am. Prior to that we just took a bottle out of the fridge once and topped it up with boiling water.

No faff.

When breast feeding we were up off and on all night with miserable cranky babies and I was in agony.Faff.

Washable nappies- scraping poo,soaking,loading washing machine,drying- faff.

GreenGinger2 · 31/01/2017 22:27

We did the half and half thing.

Boiling water on powder half full. Put in fridge. When needed topped up with boiling water but able to use straight away.

3 babies,never ill. Not once.

NeverNic · 31/01/2017 22:27

TBH I misunderstood the guidelines with my first. Only with my second did I realise it wasn't about 'sterile' water but the correct temp to kill bacteria. With my second though, he was much more predictable and I could prep bottles closely to when they were required. What I tended to find easiest of a night with my first (purely because I was combi-feeding), was using expressed milk, which I could heat quickly to room temp in a jug of water. Luckily my eldest hated hot milk. Helpful at night, less so in the day!

NeverNic · 31/01/2017 22:29

Should also add, another one with no stomach bugs with either child. I used the steriliser way past 6mths though.

BendandBreak · 31/01/2017 22:37

16 and 13 years ago, we used to sterilise 6-8 bottles
at a time and fill to about 5 ounces with hot boiled water
and leave to cool. (A full feed was 6 ounces of milk).
They would then be put in the fridge for use within the
next 24 hours. When baby wanted fed, we boiled just
one cup of water in the kettle, then added an ounce or
so to the chilled 5 ounces of water, to get the temperature
just right for baby. We then added the 6 scoops of
formula milk as required. This made a bottle of formula
in the time it took to boil a cup of water!
I know this method probably breaks current rules but it
didn't 16 years ago. Also my first baby was a 31 weeker
of 2lb 2 oz, now a healthy 16 yr old.
We are also both scientists and found nothing wrong with
this method my husband devised, because neither of us
wanted our babies crying while milk was heating up-
painfully, slowly in a jug of water!

Wayfarersonbaby · 31/01/2017 22:58

OK, so there are 2 main reasons for adding the boiling water to kill bacteria in the powder, and it's to do with different types of bacteria.

  1. the risk of general bacteria/spores from the non-sterile powder growing in the milk after preparation, including stuff like salmonella, etc., which do grow albeit slowly in the fridge (why you should discard after 24hrs, for example). This kind of bacterial growth might cause gastro-enteritis in a baby, which could be reasonably mild or quite severe, so it's worth preventing the risk of this as much as possible. However, as pp have said, in Western countries with clean/sterile equipment and good hygiene this is relatively low risk compared to the risks of bacterial contamination in other countries.
  1. Formula samples do and have tested positive for various types of more dangerous bacteria, such as variants of clostridium, including the one that causes infant botulism. This is v v rare (vanishingly small number of cases in the West), but can be fatal. It's why NHS advice is not to give honey to infants under 1 - because it can potentially contain C. botulinum, and infants' gastrointestinal tracts are too immature to have developed defences against this. Again, the likelihood is very very small, but the consequences could be fatal. The boiling water is meant to help kill any spores in the powder from rare but more dangerous bacteria such as this.

The guidelines were changed because several studies were done in the last decade or so on the composition of bacterial spores in baby formula and more widespread contamination by more dangerous bacteria was found in the powders than had been previously thought.

So:
When most posters are saying that they made up bottles the old way and all their children were fine and never had a tummy illness, that's because they were lucky that their babies (a) didn't end up getting gastric symptoms from more ordinary bacterial growth. But (b) they were also lucky that they never encountered any more dangerous bacteria either.

The risk of (a) is higher, but generally less serious in developed countries. The risk of (b) is statistically small, but potentially of much greater consequence. But guidelines were changed to reflect updated thinking on risk prevention, just as they were with the advice on honey.

Those who would be happy to make up bottles these days with non-boiling water: would you also be happy to feed your 6 month old honey, on the grounds that the risk is statistically very small? Or would you aim to avoid that risk just in case, because you can? I mean, people have been giving babies honey for centuries, and the vast majority didn't die of infant botulism, so why not? Or do you think of that differently because avoiding honey is a lot easier than boiling water for each bottle?

(US posters - I'm v surprised about the tap water thing, but then the US has much lower food safety standards than here; however US researchers have found species of Clostridium in formula there too....perhaps a case where the NHS is super-cautious, but then, why not?)

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 31/01/2017 23:04

presume the people leaving a newborn's bottles in the fridge disinfect their fridge everyday? Fine if you want to take a risk but don't judge people who do it properly

Why do you you need to sterilise your fridge?

Wayfarersonbaby · 31/01/2017 23:09

(NB: infant botulism is more common in the US than the UK....)

AllyJ83 · 31/01/2017 23:11

Yep this 👆🏻

Wayfarersonbaby · 31/01/2017 23:11

(though the last UK case in 2001 was believed to be from formula milk).

Wayfarersonbaby · 31/01/2017 23:25

Just in case anyone wants any more evidence, let me locate the paper....the 2001 case was examined here:

www.microbiologyresearch.org/docserver/fulltext/jmm/54/8/769.pdf?expires=1485905601&id=id&accname=guest&checksum=11F2638F3FC73126CB2918702C4B4A76

on p.772 the paper notes that the baby's formula was prepared with cooled boiled water.

The formula preparation guidelines were changed after this case.

2rebecca · 31/01/2017 23:46

I breastfed, by the time they were having formula they were putting all sorts of stuff in their mouths so I mixed formula with cold, filtered tap water and heated it in the microwave making sure it was thoroughly mixed and temp tested before being given.
They very rarely got gastroenteritis. I always made the bottles up fresh though.

Scarymary0210 · 01/02/2017 01:53

Actually read the above lost from the world health organization before saying stuff like that....we did 24 hour bottles for decades none of my kids ever got ill and millions of others didn't either now you can follow advice as that is what it is but if you want medical facts look them up and use them

toomuchtooold · 01/02/2017 06:38

I don't give my kids honey, it's full of sugar. I'm not sure what the point of that comparison is tbh - there's no cost whatsoever in keeping honey away from a baby. There is a cost involved in letting a baby (two babies in my case) cry while you make up their milk.

I think it's a bit patronising to talk about the "faff" of making up bottles for a small baby - particularly if you're talking twins. It really wasn't a matter of "oh I can't be bothered with this minor difficulty, let's make it even easier". It's about finding a way to survive. I did approx 100 bottles a week for the first 6 months and with my method (add boiling water to sterilised bottles, allow to cool and refrigerate, add powder and zap in the microwave 30 seconds, invert twice because my first year undergraduate chemistry labs taught me that this is all you need to do to avoid hotspots in a homogeneous bloody liquid) the essential thing was that I could do all the bits involving boiling water at the start and end of the day when my DH was home and could take the babies. The rest of the day they could be on me in their twin baby carrier and I could do everything I needed without having to put them down. That's how we survived. That and DH going 80% for the first 6 months so that he could do 3 nights of night feeds while I did the other 4. Sometimes by Friday morning I'd be hallucinating, I'd had so little sleep.

Incidentally, I didn't drive for the first 8 months - didn't trust myself in the car with the kids and so little sleep. And road traffic accidents actually kill a significant number of kids every year unlike this near-mythical cronobacter-infested milk. That, to me, is something worth actually worrying about.