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amispartacus · 29/01/2017 17:01

Follow on from before.

It's not funny anymore. It' serious

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Lweji · 29/01/2017 20:46

When you hear the explanation of why these countries and not Saudi Arabia or Egypt, then all becomes clear.

Not

Lweji · 29/01/2017 20:47

Cross post. :)

amispartacus · 29/01/2017 20:49

BBC report

Legal minds have their say

In a joint statement, 16 attorneys general, from states including California, New York and Pennsylvania, said they would "use all of the tools of our offices to fight this unconstitutional order" and, until it was struck down, would "work to ensure that as few people as possible suffer from the chaotic situation that it has created".

Late on Saturday, federal Judge Ann Donnelly, in New York, ruled against the removal from the US of people with approved refugee applications, valid visas, and "other individuals... legally authorised to enter the United States".

The emergency ruling also said there was a risk of "substantial and irreparable injury" to those affected.

She was ruling on a case brought by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) on behalf of two Iraqi men with links to the US military who were detained at JFK Airport in New York.

Both have now been released. Another court hearing is set for February.

Elsewhere in the US:

In Boston, a judge decided two Iranian nationals, university professors, should be released from detention at Logan International Airport

An order issued in Virginia banned, for seven days, the deportation of green-card holders held at Dulles Airport and ordered the authorities to allow access to lawyers

A Seattle judge issued an emergency stay of removal from the US for two people

The Department of Homeland Security has said it will continue to enforce the measures.

Amateur hour at the White House? - analysis by Anthony Zurcher, BBC News, Washington DC

These rulings are only the opening salvo in what will likely be a protracted legal battle, as the Trump administration forges ahead with its plans.

The episode has made the White House look amateurish and ill-prepared, however, and Republicans in Congress are getting nervous.

During the presidential primaries, a majority of Republican voters backed Mr Trump's calls for a sweeping ban on Muslims entering the US. During the general election, he campaigned on a visa ban for certain "terrorist" countries - and won.

So it shouldn't come as much of a surprise if the president's core support holds firm after this weekend's events. The views in the American heartland, far removed from major international airports, sometimes differ greatly from the liberal bastions on the coast.

However, protracted airport detention of children and the elderly is "bad optics" - and could make it harder for the White House to get public support for future immigration action.

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PausingFlatly · 29/01/2017 20:50

But that's the point, surely? Bannon wants to give gifts to ISIS. Because he wants a Reichstag fire and a small war. He wants the disruption it brings.

His mate Arron Banks famously complained that Austrians "haven't suffered enough rape and murder yet” to make them elect a far right President.
[[http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/austrian-far-right-ukip_uk_5844725ce4b0bd623adabce1

toomuchsugar · 29/01/2017 20:50

16 Attorney generals have condemned Trump's ban.

Chippednailvarnishing · 29/01/2017 20:51

I wonder what the CIA really think...

Spudlet · 29/01/2017 20:51

It's worth watching the petition for a minute. Every five or six seconds it gains another hundred signatures or so.

Theresa the Appeaser makes me ashamed to be British. That petition is helping to counter that.

amispartacus · 29/01/2017 20:52

One bright thing out of this - I've increased my twitter followers! I've now got 54.

If you want to get a lot of notifications, try posting something on Laura K's timeline that Trump fans might not agree with. Guaranteed notifications,mentions and likes. Plus retweets.

I bet she only gets notified if certain people mention her.

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amispartacus · 29/01/2017 20:54

Bannon wants to give gifts to ISIS. Because he wants a Reichstag fire and a small war

I wonder how much history is covered in US schools on the rise of Hitler.

Who will be our Lord Haw Haw? We have our Chamberlein.

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Spudlet · 29/01/2017 20:56

Farage, surely...

chicaguapa · 29/01/2017 20:58

I just googled the petition and came across last year's. The Government's response when May was Home Secretary was....

^The Home Secretary has said that Donald Trump’s remarks in relation to Muslims are divisive, unhelpful and wrong.

The Government recognises the strength of feeling against the remarks and will continue to speak out against comments which have the potential to divide our communities, regardless of who makes them. We reject any attempts to create division and marginalisation amongst those we endeavour to protect.^

chicaguapa · 29/01/2017 20:59

Link to petition and debate

saffronwblue · 29/01/2017 21:02

I am aghast ( just got up here in Oz). Thank you so much for all the news, tweets etc. this is now my first port of call to see what horrors are unfolding.
Love seeing the us judiciary standing up for what is right.
There is a terrible subplot here involving a group of asylum seekers that Australia has been cruelly detaining offshore. Obama agreed to resettle them in US. Apparently trump confirmed to our pm yesterday that he will still take them. God knows what we will give in return- probably get to be in front line in war against China.

Chippednailvarnishing · 29/01/2017 21:06

690k signatures on the new petition.

amispartacus · 29/01/2017 21:07

Boris Johnson wants an exemption for British citizens. It's a good thing there's no history of terrorism in the UK then, is it? Or even radical Islamists from the UK? We should probably be top on the list Hmm

Will he say 'it's just not cricket'

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SanFranBear · 29/01/2017 21:09

The Presidential executive order only applies to individuals travelling from one of the seven named countries. If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries (for instance, the UK) the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of your nationality or your place of birth. If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US, then the order does not apply to you – even if you were born in one of those countries. If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from OUTSIDE those countries then the order does not apply to you. The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves – for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US

So it doesn't apply to those travelling from here. I don't understand why officials in France & Holland have refused people boarding. It's just such a mess!

amispartacus · 29/01/2017 21:09

Remember Richard Reid. UK terrorist who tried to blow up an American Airlines plane.

He was born in Bromley.

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originalmavis · 29/01/2017 21:13

Was that Bromleystad?

GingerIvy · 29/01/2017 21:16

CNN Newsroom ‏*@CNNnewsroom* 9m9 minutes ago
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.@FareedZakaria: The victims of the travel ban are the "roadkill of Trump's posturing" cnn.it/2jLcn1M

GingerIvy · 29/01/2017 21:18

Daniel Dale ‏*@ddale8* 1h1 hour ago
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One lesson from Trump's first week: the Breitbartian fringe is now running the world.

GingerIvy · 29/01/2017 21:19

Very cool.

Gordon S. Campbell
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For next 90 days we'll be offering free immigration law consults to anyone affected by U.S. ban who wants to come to Canada #WelcomeToCanada

GingerIvy · 29/01/2017 21:19

Jordan Uhl ‏*@JordanUhl* 34m34 minutes ago
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Jordan Uhl Retweeted Kaivan Shroff
"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." -MLK

DriveInSaturday · 29/01/2017 21:21

The petition has been closed! I just checked it to see how many signatures it had, and it is closed!

Arborea · 29/01/2017 21:21

@woman12345 sorry to summon you, but please could you link to Hannah Arendt's Totalitarian book? I asked Santa for a copy for Christmas but he was a bit baffled by the hard copies that were available to buy...!

amispartacus · 29/01/2017 21:23

Was that Bromleystad

I would worry that there are now going to be some Muslims in this country who will be radicalised by this. Which is what some people want. How the hell do you convince people you believe in tolerance when you have the Prevent strategy, your Prime Minister doing fuck all about it, a country whose papers are Islamophobic and the USA acting like this.

Something is coming...

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