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AIBU to think this is a good idea? - Trump

73 replies

GladAllOver · 29/01/2017 14:38

There's a petition to stop Trump from making a State Visit to the UK.

Over 1/4 million signatures already!

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928/

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ItsNachoCheese · 29/01/2017 20:00

I would happily travel from scotland for a protest march

Lorelei76 · 29/01/2017 20:44

Nacho, there's a protest in Glasgow tomorrow
www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/glasgow-protest-donald-trumps-muslim-12524306#ICID=sharebar_twitter

peppatax · 29/01/2017 21:48

Clarification from the Foreign Office about the executive order:

Advice issued by the Foreign Office said:
â–  The presidential executive order only applies to individuals travelling from one of the seven named countries
â–  If you are travelling to the US from anywhere other than one of those countries, including the UK, the executive order does not apply to you and you will experience no extra checks regardless of your nationality or your place of birth
â–  If you are a UK national who happens to be travelling from one of those countries to the US then the order does not apply to you even if you were born in one of those countries
â–  If you are a dual citizen of one of those countries travelling to the US from outside those countries then the order does not apply to you
â–  The only dual nationals who might have extra checks are those coming from one of the seven countries themselves - for example a UK-Libya dual national coming from Libya to the US

ItsNachoCheese · 29/01/2017 22:09

Thank you lorelei i will be glasgow bound tomorrow

Riversleep · 29/01/2017 22:18

2017 that's a good point about taxpayers money. I don't want my taxes going to putting him up, the banquets, the pomp and ceremony. Let him come here, meet with his new carer/best mate Theresa May, have some private meetings then go home. I don't particularly want to pay for the massive I crease in security we'll need to have, but that's inevitable. A state visit is not.

Lorelei76 · 29/01/2017 22:27

Oh Nacho, that's great, it was quite a random post as you may have been nowhere near.

Deadsouls · 30/01/2017 12:47

I wonder if any of these protests and the upset and outrage he causes penetrate his grandiose pomposity. I certainly would like to think so.
I hope his ego is getting a good deflation from all of this...one can hope.

Lorelei76 · 30/01/2017 13:44

Deadsouls
He's too psychopathic for it to make a dent.

hackmum · 30/01/2017 13:51

Some people seem to think that the petition is calling for him to be banned from visiting the UK. This is not the case. It's calling for him not to be invited on a state visit.

Here's the wording in full:

"Donald Trump should be allowed to enter the UK in his capacity as head of the US Government, but he should not be invited to make an official State Visit because it would cause embarrassment to Her Majesty the Queen."

It's a sad indictment of the state of literacy in this country when people lack the ability to understand a 40-word statement using simple English words.

Crunchymum · 30/01/2017 13:59

hackmum to be fair even Sky News is incorrectly reporting it to be a petition to scarp his visit.

Direct quote from them @ 13:53

"The Prime Minister's spokesman said she was looking forward to "hosting the President later this year" despite more than one million people signing an online petition calling for his visit to be scrapped."

I also heard GMTV reporting the same this morning! (Or GMB - whatever it is now!!)

Crunchymum · 30/01/2017 14:00

scrap

I don't think people know what they are signing for to be honest!!

GladAllOver · 30/01/2017 14:05

It's over a million and a quarter now and still rising.
There are complaints today that the petition is one-sided and doesn't allow an opposite view. It would actually be quite interesting to see an alternative petition welcoming a full state visit. I wonder how many signatures that would get?

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VestalVirgin · 30/01/2017 14:08

What I want to know is when he's sending his immigrant wife back to her own country??

What I want to know is when he will take his own immigrant ass back to Germany. Yeah, he was born in the US, but his grandparents were from Germany, and I'd bet he has not a drop of Native American blood in him.

We don't want him here, either, but I for one would be in favour of taking him back if that means he can't be president anymore.

America should be ruled by Native Americans. If Trump wants to be against immigration, okay, but then he should do it right!

2017willbeawesome · 30/01/2017 14:45

Gladitsallover the wording for a pro petition would go something like ...."we the people of GB want to spend our hard earned tax payers money on a wonderful state visit, we will get down on our knees, sideline our future King (the pesky Environmentalist), embarrass our Royal Family, roll over on our values, we want to roll out the red carpet to say Racist and Sexist megalomaniacs are welcome here." Er NO, he can come as he is the POTUS but hell no to a full State Visit, the notion of it is repugnant & sends a dreadful message to the world re who we are.

VestalVirgin · 30/01/2017 15:26

Perhaps one could compromise on a state visit where the Queen is otherwise engaged, but Trump can talk to Prince Charles and be lectured on environment issues. (Also, less red carpets and overall pomp, of course.)

I mean, it is not likely it'd help, but someone should at least try to talk some sense into him.

PerspicaciaTick · 30/01/2017 15:43

Since when have petitions been two-sided and in the format of "We petition you to do A although, on the other hand, Z would be fine too. Basically, whatever you want is fine by some of us".

Oliversmumsarmy · 30/01/2017 15:44

His mum was Scottish not German

2017willbeawesome · 30/01/2017 15:48

Vestal now that sounds a much better idea Smile

Dapplegrey1 · 30/01/2017 15:49

It won't be the first time the Queen has had to have an unsavoury foreign leader to stay. In 1978 at the invitation of the Labour pm Neville Callaghan the evil Romanian Ceaucescus came on a state visit and stayed at Buckingham Palace.
Not sure if there were demonstrations against that vile man - I can't remember.
Shame on Callaghan and government inviting him.

Deadsouls · 30/01/2017 16:44

Remember those posters on MN who were saying things like, 'stop being hysterical, there's a system of checks and balances in the American government' or 'calm down he won't do all those crazy things he said he'd do' or 'he's just one man, he doesn't have that much power'
See. SEE. Do you see now?

throwingpebbles · 30/01/2017 17:46

Well quite deadsouls ...but it's easier to look the other way and pretend everything is not that bad/not our problem...

Destinysdaughter · 30/01/2017 17:53

Ever-shareable Dennis Skinner on Trump's state visit: "This man is not fit to walk in the footsteps of Mandela."

ItsNachoCheese · 30/01/2017 21:27

The sign that says it perfectly i think. This was taken at the protest march in glasgow

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