AIBU to think this is a good idea? - Trump

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There's a petition to stop Trump from making a State Visit to the UK.

Over 1/4 million signatures already!

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928/

Also signed it earlier. It's not saying he can't visit the UK, but that he shouldn't get the full state visit treatment. Basically - he can come here and "work" as head of state, but he doesn't get treated like an honoured guest.

That seems like a good compromise. And forcing a debate, forcing MPs to see the strength of feeling in their constituencies about not treating him as someone to be honoured is right.

Peppa money is the only thing that talks so American is in for a rough ride from the rest of the world. I feel sorry for ordinary Americans and understand why they are protesting. By continuing to spend money on American we are saying we agree with Trump and what he is doing. Embargo and boycott is the only way forward.

I really don't think they are 2017 - people not buying coke and McDonald's won't make a dent in the US coffers. Especially when McDonalds might be a US brand but each UK restaurant is owned by a franchisee so will make even less difference. Did people boycotting French exports after the British beef exports were banned make a difference? Not at all

If you watch the page on the link you can see how quickly people are signing. Will be half a million very soon I think.

livia it does have to be proven that that is their intent.

Trump did nothing of the sort - it's a blanket ban based on nation of origin according to his own warped values.

It's also counter to an existing statute in American law which states you cannot persecute people based on their national identity or country of origin.

These executive orders are only legal until tested by law, so this one is on a fast track to being thrown out based on the ACLU test case last night.

Trump's intent will not change though, which is why we should not entertain him.

If we all do nothing, nothing ever happens. If we ignore as it doesn't directly affect us then that makes us ignorant. At the very least we have to try to do something against a tyrant. There is no way that man should be afforded the honour of a state visit. And boycotting has worked in the past, particularly wine boycotts as those are massive to a countries export economy. So I am boycotting buying American whilst they have a tyrant in charge.

If a boycott of American owned companies is going to make a difference, it'll need wide spread support, not just in the U.K. The boycotts of South African companies/products did make a dent into their economy, and Trump's sales pitch has been around making America great again, he can't afford the economy to suffer.

Building walls, banning Muslims, its immoral. Pressure from multinationals who have found their profits fall across Europe might help limit what he can do. It probably won't work, but at least we're not supporting him.

Exactly what invisible kitten said. Spot on

Yes I've just done this.

This : If we all do nothing, nothing ever happens

Indeed, worse than that, by turning away and deciding to "do nothing" we become complicit in the bad.

Look at Holocaust. Yes, it was driven by the truly evil, but it was aided by all those who turned the other way and "did nothing".

Remember that American owned companies will have to include : Procter and Gamble (Pantene, head and shoulders, fairy etc), Asda (owned by Walmart), various petrol cos, Cadburys, Toblerone, most fizzy drinks - deffo seems like a possible plan but crikey I think I'd have trouble avoiding American brands - no more googling, no facebook, no WhatsApp... the list would be pretty prohibitively long, but I guess that's what they'll rely on.

With regards to boycotting US companies, Silicon Valley businesses are appalled by what is happening, as are a great many U S businesses and universities who will be severely affected by this. It is they that will change the policy because they will make the biggest noise. I hope they threaten to move their major operations to Europe, and that the Hollywood studios follow. I never thought I would say this about Google and Apple, but they have condemned Trump loudly and publicly. I don't think they should be boycotted.

Does it have to be a petition or a boycott? Previously when we haven't like the regime in a country we've sent the RAF......

I do agree he shouldn't be afforded a full state visit, and I hope Charles, William, Harry and Kate will be 'otherwise engaged' for his whole visit. That will truly stick in his draw.

Peppa - many Americans support what trump is doing.
I think it's quite natural that as a non white woman, I don't want to go back. Yes I could encounter horrible stuff here in London but I've got to live somewhere.
I don't understand why some posters don't understand that some of us would avoid America, protest, object etc. there are similar threads all over MN at the moment. How do these people think anyone got anything done in history?,!

Add to the list of US owned brands - Quaker Oats and Scott's Oats.

The US banned Iraqi refugees in 2011 for 6 months. From 2011 to 2015, they only took in 2370 Syrian refugees.

I don't recall a petition to ban Obama.

The list is long of US owned brands! It will be much harder to do than other countries, and yes, I'll probably have to make some compromises- but a decision to always make the non-US choice where there is a choice is a start.

I think Liz has seen a "few" presidents since Eisenhower, count them, I think she will be able to manage POTUS and do it with a smile

These threads have been hugely educational in seeing how the worst events of the 20th century unfolded. And how there's no hope for the 21st century either.

How many ordinary, "decent" people just shrugged and lay down because it's way more important to never speak up, or take any action (large actions being of course dreadfully gauche, small actions being completely useless). Right?

Exactly, the elements
Suddenly all those "how did so many people not stand up to the nazis" etc etc questions are answered

Yes, I wonder if the 'brexit won, get over it', 'Trump won, get over it' crowd would have said the same in Hitler's -Germany? Denegrating and demonising the democratic right to protest?

Currently the petition stands at 579,000 signatures.

He should be allowed to come here and do US "business", he shouldn't be treated as an honoured guest.

I hope he never gets to set foot in this country again. He is a bigoted, racist scumbag that needs his head looked at

Agree, if he sets foot here on a state visit there will be upset as he is not welcome. I've never been on a protest march in my life, but if he comes & gets all the pomp with my tax money, I will be getting a train to London to protest.